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  • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Morehead"][quote user="bigblue4417"]

    Obviously not. Since Joe Pa passed it along like an email forward.</p>


    <font color="#0000FF">Maybe he expected more from the most important man in PSU history.</font></p>[/quote]
    I don't understand why they can't grasp this?
    [/quote]

    I don't understand why you can't grasp the fact that seeing something happen is different then having someone tell you about it...so we are even.

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    • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

      i just fail to see what popularity has to do with any aspect of this case


      https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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      • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

        [quote user="Morehead State"]

        [quote user="DavenIII"]LANDO

        [quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

        Do you agree with that.

        do you think Joe Pa who heard the story from the witness, had a larger obligation to make sure this guy got what he deserved then the witness himself?

        (morally?)

        [/quote]</p>


        What I meant is that he had a larger obligation than to simply pass it on to the AD.</p>[/quote]

        Oh well that's fine.

        All I'm arguing is that Calhoun and Mc whatever his name is the WR Coach are "More" morally wrong in this situation then Paterno is...not that Paterno is squeaky clean...but that those who actually witnessed the events take place have a larger moral responsibility then someone who was told about it.

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        • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!




          As the fate of Penn State football coach Joe Paterno
          hangs in the balance, new details have emerged about how the university
          failed to report the child sexual assaults allegedly committed by his
          former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
          </p>


          According to prosecutors, Penn State had multiple opportunities to stop
          Sandusky's alleged abuse. In 1998 two boys reportedly came forward to
          say Sandusky had fondled them in the team's showers. Campus police had
          eavesdropped on a conversation between Sandusky and one boy's mother.
          That mother recently described the exchange to local reporter Sara Ganim
          with the Patriot News.
          </p>


          "He admitted to taking the shower, he admitted to some extent something
          bad happened," the woman, who was not identified, said. "He asked her
          for forgiveness. He said 'I probably won't get it from you,' and then he
          said 'I wish I were dead.'"
          </p>The allegations against Sandusky include eight named victims who
          have testified that the coach befriended them through the charitable
          organization he founded, tried to mentor the boys, plied them with
          gifts, trips to sporting events and access to the Penn State football
          facilities, and then sexually assaulted them.



          </p>

          In 2002, <font color="#0000FF" size="4">graduate assistant coach</font> Mike McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky
          in the shower of the football team's locker rooms sexually assaulting a
          boy of about 10. McQueary told Paterno what he saw, and rather than tell
          the police, Paterno reported the information to his boss, Curly, and
          then never spoke of the incident again, according to a grand jury
          presentment.
          </p>Curly and his supervisor, Gary Schultz, did not report the incident to
          police. They then told Spanier that Sandusky had been seen acting
          inappropriately with a boy in the showers and had therefore restricted
          his access to campus grounds. Spanier approved, and did not contact the
          police.




          </p>


          </p>


          </p>


          </p>

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          • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

            [quote user="bigblue4417"]


            As the fate of Penn State football coach Joe Paterno
            hangs in the balance, new details have emerged about how the university
            failed to report the child sexual assaults allegedly committed by his
            former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
            </p>


            According to prosecutors, Penn State had multiple opportunities to stop
            Sandusky's alleged abuse. In 1998 two boys reportedly came forward to
            say Sandusky had fondled them in the team's showers. Campus police had
            eavesdropped on a conversation between Sandusky and one boy's mother.
            That mother recently described the exchange to local reporter Sara Ganim
            with the Patriot News.
            </p>


            "He admitted to taking the shower, he admitted to some extent something
            bad happened," the woman, who was not identified, said. "He asked her
            for forgiveness. He said 'I probably won't get it from you,' and then he
            said 'I wish I were dead.'"
            </p>The allegations against Sandusky include eight named victims who
            have testified that the coach befriended them through the charitable
            organization he founded, tried to mentor the boys, plied them with
            gifts, trips to sporting events and access to the Penn State football
            facilities, and then sexually assaulted them.



            </p>

            In 2002, <font color="#0000ff" size="4">graduate assistant coach</font> Mike McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky
            in the shower of the football team's locker rooms sexually assaulting a
            boy of about 10. McQueary told Paterno what he saw, and rather than tell
            the police, Paterno reported the information to his boss, Curly, and
            then never spoke of the incident again, according to a grand jury
            presentment.
            </p>Curly and his supervisor, Gary Schultz, did not report the incident to
            police. They then told Spanier that Sandusky had been seen acting
            inappropriately with a boy in the showers and had therefore restricted
            his access to campus grounds. Spanier approved, and did not contact the
            police.




            </p>


            </p>


            </p>


            </p>[/quote]

            that conflicts with what moorehead said about what McQueary saw
            https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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            • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

              [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i just fail to see what popularity has to do with any aspect of this case


              [/quote]

              Apparently for Morehead and Lando...Popularity means that you are held to a different moral standard then if you are relatively unknown.

              I don't agree with that, I think everyone should be held to the same moral standards....I guess we are weird.

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              • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                forget it i misread - it completely goes along with what moorehead said

                my eyes are crossing

                i got no work done today

                i will talk to u guys later
                https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheeBloodSport/

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                • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                  [quote user="Morehead State"]I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing that Joe Pa had a far greater responsibility that he took on by meerly passing it on to the AD, and then working alongside the guy after that.[/quote]

                  I'm not disagreeing with that, but I can see after years of dealing with similar issues (and I'm quite certain he has maybe not on quite the same scale in retrospec but similar) he became jaded and said...welp time to send another complaint form to the AD...and that IS wrong....BUT..



                  [quote user="Morehead State"]I don't give 2 ****s about what an unknown temp. worker does.[/quote]</p>

                  Not as wrong as this guy...who literally watched the crime take place...the fact that this guy didn't do everything in his power to make sure the Sandusky got what he deserves is morally reprehensible...it's many times worse then Joe Pa's indifference to a vague complaint.
                  </p>


                  </p>

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                  • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                    I'm out, I'm sure this will be continued tomorrow...later.

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                    • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!



                      [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i just fail to see what popularity has to do with any aspect of this case


                      [/quote]</P>


                      Its not popularity, its standing. With great standing comes great responsibility.</P>
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                        [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i just fail to see what popularity has to do with any aspect of this case


                        [/quote]

                        Apparently for Morehead and Lando...Popularity means that you are held to a different moral standard then if you are relatively unknown.

                        I don't agree with that, I think everyone should be held to the same moral standards....I guess we are weird.
                        [/quote]
                        When your job is working with and mentoring kids. Establinshing foundations and building things that represent a University you do have a higher moral obligation. Athletes admit that all the time. I have to be better, I have kids that look up to me. I could find you countless quotes I'm sure. People in positions of power are held to a different standard than regular people. It's a fact of life, not a belief. Everyone should be held to the same moral standards but it's not the same in the real world. Joe Pa was told this was happening and turned his back to it along with many other people. There were 10's of warning signs and proof and no one did anything. Everyone is just as bad as the next guy but the most identifiable figure at Penn St will be held more accountable in a court of public opinion. Go read the comments on any ESPN story or any other site.

                        The issue is that Paterno should have also gone to the police. Telling
                        his bosses only did nothing more than relive him of his reporting
                        duties. He probably thought by telling his bossess only, it was their
                        baby now. Morally, he should have gone to authorities. He was made
                        aware of a crime and did not report it. How many other boys were abused
                        simply because he didn't report the crime?

                        Paterno is an extremely powerful man and could have demanded that
                        something so awful be addressed as the horrific crime that it is. He
                        knew, but turned away. He may be spared "legally", but the man is a
                        pathetic human being.

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                        • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                          [quote user="Morehead State"]

                          [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i just fail to see what popularity has to do with any aspect of this case


                          [/quote]</p>


                          Its not popularity, its standing. With great standing comes great responsibility.</p>[/quote]
                          How do they not understand that?

                          The leader of Penn St is held to a higher standard and responsibility than a Janitor.

                          No one protected those poor kids...

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                          • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                            [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                            [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i just fail to see what popularity has to do with any aspect of this case


                            [/quote]</P>


                            Its not popularity, its standing. With great standing comes great responsibility.</P>


                            [/quote]
                            How do they not understand that?

                            The leader of Penn St is held to a higher standard and responsibility than a Janitor.

                            No one protected those poor kids...
                            [/quote]</P>


                            I don't know Lando. Itis interesting that its the two parents on one side and two non parents on the other.</P>


                            Not sure if that'r relevant or not.</P>
                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                              Does Paterno have grandkids? (Yes, 17.) How would he feel if it were one
                              of his grandkids in that shower with the coach? What would he have done
                              then?

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                              • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!



                                [quote user="bigblue4417"]Does Paterno have grandkids? (Yes, 17.) How would he feel if it were one of his grandkids in that shower with the coach? What would he have done then?

                                [/quote] Not taking action against this **** is a crimein not doing so theyaided and abeded him to continue molesting god knows how many children ..lock'em all up.. bunch of losers and JP heads the list.. imo..I'm pretty sure I would have got that **** of thatkid either with myhands or a mop handle up his ***... but hey one can never be sure how they would handle such a thing till it happens...but I'm pretty sureI ain't standing there watching......what a nasty ****ing subject.....</P>


                                on a side note I got players!!! here is the deal I'd move some of them for a RB2 type player no guarentees I see a trade I like I'll take its really simple I don't like to barter somake your best offer yourfirst....I know thats notfun butswhat can I tell ya... thats the way I am....I also will understandif nobody wants to play that way... no problem....just putting it out there thatI ain't hiding under a rock I'm sitting on it....help me help you </P>


                                some one said Iwon't trade...he'dbe wrong</P>


                                so I'll leave it at this I'm going to shut up and play thegame therest of the way....good luck down the stretch everybody !</P>


                                ps I have used every player on my current roster "except for bennett"multiple times</P>

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