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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]Forget high deductables, co-pays and long lines at the Dr office. Ya know whats REALLY rough, not having insurance
    [/quote]

    Yeah, it sucks, but they can not refuse you, if you show up at the ER they will treat you, yes you will have some heinous bills to pay...but you can do monthly installments worse comes to worse you may have to go bankrupt...

    <u>whats worse then a small percentage of Americans not having insurance though is a reduction in the quality of care for ALL Americans just to cover the small portion who don't have it.</u>

    PS: Lunch Time.
    [/quote]and there you have it folks....

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      <h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The
      Raiders are $20 million over the projected cap. They have a lot of work
      to do to get under the cap. One of the players that might be a cap
      casualty is Rolando McClain. Should the Giants pursue if he becomes
      available?</span></h6>

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        [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]Forget high deductables, co-pays and long lines at the Dr office. Ya know whats REALLY rough, not having insurance
        [/quote]

        Yeah, it sucks, but they can not refuse you, if you show up at the ER they will treat you, yes you will have some heinous bills to pay...but you can do monthly installments worse comes to worse you may have to go bankrupt...

        whats worse then a small percentage of Americans not having insurance though is a reduction in the quality of care for ALL Americans just to cover the small portion who don't have it.

        PS: Lunch Time.
        [/quote]You obviously have health insurance and pay a reasonable amount

        Next time you have a minute and see how much private out of pocket health insurance is for 1 person, its DISGUSTING

        And I totally disagree, it may be worse for YOU, but as a whole, the country would be much better off if we had nationwide healthcare. I think you guys can afford an extra $3 on prescriptions when you compare that situation to those who cant afford the most basic health insurance.

        If we're gonna claim to be the best country in the world, we gotta help our own people 1st
        Come check the G-Fambulance and The Scarf Soldiers every home game in Lot L6, and like us on facebook and instagam 'NYG Scarf Soldiers'

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          [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"]Forget high deductables, co-pays and long lines at the Dr office. Ya know whats REALLY rough, not having insurance
          [/quote]sick rangaz game the other night.
          [/quote]I missed it, I was up in VT doing some GREAT skiing in waist deep powder. Just got home last nite

          Gotta say, Im THRILLED that we didnt get Nash, Colombus wanted too much for him
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            [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


            [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

            it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

            600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

            it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

            200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

            so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
            [/quote]</P>


            I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</P>


            My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</P>


            I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</P>


            [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</P>


            I have great dental insurance.</P>


            [/quote]

            further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

            or were u just davening?
            [/quote]</P>


            Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</P>


            My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</P>


            [/quote]

            yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

            This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

            Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

            It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

            EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
            [/quote]</P>


            My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</P>


            You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</P>


            You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</P>


            [/quote]

            okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
            [/quote]</P>


            You have to be kidding me.</P>


            What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</P>


            Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</P>


            Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </P>


            The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</P>


            The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</P>


            [/quote]

            I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

            And I think your living in the past. Americans arent' self reliant anymore.
            [/quote]</P>


            And its this attitude that is the biggest problem. "Americans need to be cared for by the federal government". If this is true we are truly doomed.</P>


            [/quote]

            hate to break it to you, but its what has alreayd happened and shown to be truth.

            I'm sorry but its true. First step to solving a problem is identifying it. You've yet to identify that we have fallen from being self reliant
            [/quote]</P>


            I wonder how much of our social welfare experiment (which nurtures dependancy on the government) over the past 50 years has to do with it. Well we are in for a rude awakening, because running $1 trillion+ deficits will be the ruin of us. Unless that is dealt with, there will be no safety net in this country. There will only be interest payments to the Chinese.</P>


            Then we will be self reliant by need.</P>[/quote]

            i just looked it up quick.... "Welfare" took up 12% of the national budget

            that 12% is made up of:

            1. <LI>General retirement and disability insurance
              <LI>Federal employee retirement and disability
              <LI>Unemployment compensation
              <LI>Housing assistance
              <LI>Food and nutrition assistance
              <LI>Other income security</LI>






            [/quote]</P>


            I'm not talking about "welfare" I'm talking about all social welfare programs.</P>


            Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. And now Obamacare.</P>


            The projections are that these will explode if left unattended over the next 10 to 20 years.</P>
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              [quote user="dezzzR"]<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The
              Raiders are $20 million over the projected cap. They have a lot of work
              to do to get under the cap. One of the players that might be a cap
              casualty is Rolando McClain. Should the Giants pursue if he becomes
              available?</span></h6>[/quote]Id like him on the field, but dont we have enough gun violence in the Tri-State??

              "Police said the victim told them that McClain, now a linebacker with the
              NFL's Oakland Raiders, put a pistol to his head while he was lying on
              the ground, and fired a shot next to his ear after he begged McClain not
              to shoot him"
              Come check the G-Fambulance and The Scarf Soldiers every home game in Lot L6, and like us on facebook and instagam 'NYG Scarf Soldiers'

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                [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="dezzzR"]<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The
                Raiders are $20 million over the projected cap. They have a lot of work
                to do to get under the cap. One of the players that might be a cap
                casualty is Rolando McClain. Should the Giants pursue if he becomes
                available?</span></h6>[/quote]Id like him on the field, but dont we have enough gun violence in the Tri-State??

                "Police said the victim told them that McClain, now a linebacker with the
                NFL's Oakland Raiders, put a pistol to his head while he was lying on
                the ground, and fired a shot next to his ear after he begged McClain not
                to shoot him"
                [/quote]sounds like a bad *** to me. loljk

                indeed, we do have a lot of ILLEGAL gun violence.

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                  [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="dezzzR"]<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The
                  Raiders are $20 million over the projected cap. They have a lot of work
                  to do to get under the cap. One of the players that might be a cap
                  casualty is Rolando McClain. Should the Giants pursue if he becomes
                  available?</span></h6>[/quote]Id like him on the field, but dont we have enough gun violence in the Tri-State??

                  "Police said the victim told them that McClain, now a linebacker with the
                  NFL's Oakland Raiders, put a pistol to his head while he was lying on
                  the ground, and fired a shot next to his ear after he begged McClain not
                  to shoot him"
                  [/quote]sounds like a bad *** to me. loljk

                  indeed, we do have a lot of ILLEGAL gun violence.
                  [/quote]If he was an animal on the field and a ghost off of it, that would be GREAT.

                  Too bad it seems like he's a knucklehead, cmon we've all been in fights in our lives but being a 1st round NFL talent and then pulling out a gun in a fight and then shooting it next to someone's ear to scare em like you're Omar from 'The Wire' has gotta raise some red flags

                  Come check the G-Fambulance and The Scarf Soldiers every home game in Lot L6, and like us on facebook and instagam 'NYG Scarf Soldiers'

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                    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]Forget high deductables, co-pays and long lines at the Dr office. Ya know whats REALLY rough, not having insurance
                    [/quote]

                    Yeah, it sucks, but they can not refuse you, if you show up at the ER they will treat you, yes you will have some heinous bills to pay...but you can do monthly installments worse comes to worse you may have to go bankrupt...

                    whats worse then a small percentage of Americans not having insurance though is a reduction in the quality of care for ALL Americans just to cover the small portion who don't have it.

                    PS: Lunch Time.
                    [/quote]You obviously have health insurance and pay a reasonable amount

                    Next time you have a minute and see how much private out of pocket health insurance is for 1 person, its DISGUSTING

                    And I totally disagree, it may be worse for YOU, but as a whole, the country would be much better off if we had nationwide healthcare. I think you guys can afford an extra $3 on prescriptions when you compare that situation to those who cant afford the most basic health insurance.

                    If we're gonna claim to be the best country in the world, we gotta help our own people 1st
                    [/quote]</P>


                    Daven wants all the health care for himself.....my wife works for the federal gov...VA....we pay for part of our health insurance.....Federal Blue cross blue shieldits like an 80 % plan with copays and such....last year it <FONT color=#ffffff>notcost</FONT> us $5179.00 or about431.00 bucks a month...I don't consider this cheap and there is no way we will be able to keep this when she retires.... I have been paying for SS all working life and you can bet your *** I'll be drawing it down one day soon..or they can give me my money back </P>

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                      [quote user="byron"]

                      [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]Forget high deductables, co-pays and long lines at the Dr office. Ya know whats REALLY rough, not having insurance
                      [/quote]

                      Yeah, it sucks, but they can not refuse you, if you show up at the ER they will treat you, yes you will have some heinous bills to pay...but you can do monthly installments worse comes to worse you may have to go bankrupt...

                      whats worse then a small percentage of Americans not having insurance though is a reduction in the quality of care for ALL Americans just to cover the small portion who don't have it.

                      PS: Lunch Time.
                      [/quote]You obviously have health insurance and pay a reasonable amount

                      Next time you have a minute and see how much private out of pocket health insurance is for 1 person, its DISGUSTING

                      And I totally disagree, it may be worse for YOU, but as a whole, the country would be much better off if we had nationwide healthcare. I think you guys can afford an extra $3 on prescriptions when you compare that situation to those who cant afford the most basic health insurance.

                      If we're gonna claim to be the best country in the world, we gotta help our own people 1st
                      [/quote]</p>


                      Daven wants all the health care for himself.....my wife works for the federal gov...VA....we pay for part of our health insurance.....Federal Blue cross blue shieldits like an 80 % plan with copays and such....last year it <font color="#ffffff">notcost</font> us $5179.00 or about431.00 bucks a month...I don't consider this cheap and there is no way we will be able to keep this when she retires.... I have been paying for SS all working life and you can bet your *** I'll be drawing it down one day soon..or they can give me my money back </p>[/quote]And if I wanted to pay out of pocket for something like Healthy NY or a crappy bottom of the barrel insurance plan it would be nearly the same price, FOR 1 PERSON!!!!!
                      Come check the G-Fambulance and The Scarf Soldiers every home game in Lot L6, and like us on facebook and instagam 'NYG Scarf Soldiers'

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                        [quote user="dezzzR"]indeed, we do have a lot of ILLEGAL gun violence.
                        [/quote]
                        As Plaxico stands rights beneath that post. LMAO!!!

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                          [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]Forget high deductables, co-pays and long lines at the Dr office. Ya know whats REALLY rough, not having insurance
                          [/quote]

                          Yeah, it sucks, but they can not refuse you, if you show up at the ER they will treat you, yes you will have some heinous bills to pay...but you can do monthly installments worse comes to worse you may have to go bankrupt...

                          whats worse then a small percentage of Americans not having insurance though is a reduction in the quality of care for ALL Americans just to cover the small portion who don't have it.

                          PS: Lunch Time.
                          [/quote]You obviously have health insurance and pay a reasonable amount

                          Next time you have a minute and see how much private out of pocket health insurance is for 1 person, its DISGUSTING

                          And I totally disagree, it may be worse for YOU, but as a whole, the country would be much better off if we had nationwide healthcare. I think you guys can afford an extra $3 on prescriptions when you compare that situation to those who cant afford the most basic health insurance.

                          If we're gonna claim to be the best country in the world, we gotta help our own people 1st
                          [/quote]</P>


                          BingOOOO</P>
                          Oderint Dum Metuant

                          It's too bad, I'm too good....

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                            [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="dezzzR"]<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The
                            Raiders are $20 million over the projected cap. They have a lot of work
                            to do to get under the cap. One of the players that might be a cap
                            casualty is Rolando McClain. Should the Giants pursue if he becomes
                            available?</span></h6>[/quote]Id like him on the field, but dont we have enough gun violence in the Tri-State??

                            "Police said the victim told them that McClain, now a linebacker with the
                            NFL's Oakland Raiders, put a pistol to his head while he was lying on
                            the ground, and fired a shot next to his ear after he begged McClain not
                            to shoot him"
                            [/quote]sounds like a bad *** to me. loljk

                            indeed, we do have a lot of ILLEGAL gun violence.
                            [/quote]If he was an animal on the field and a ghost off of it, that would be GREAT.

                            Too bad it seems like he's a knucklehead, cmon we've all been in fights in our lives but being a 1st round NFL talent and then<u> pulling out a gun in a fight and then shooting it next to someone's ear to scare em like you're Omar from 'The Wire' has gotta raise some red flags</u>

                            [/quote]lol

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                              [quote user="byron"]


                              Daven wants all the health care for himself.....my wife works for the federal gov...VA....we pay for part of our health insurance.....Federal Blue cross blue shieldits like an 80 % plan with copays and such....last year it <FONT color=#ffffff>notcost</FONT> us $5179.00 or about431.00 bucks a month...I don't consider this cheap and there is no way we will be able to keep this when she retires.... I have been paying for SS all working life and you can bet your *** I'll be drawing it down one day soon..or they can give me my money back </P>


                              [/quote]</P>


                              oh jeez...you just brought a whooooooole 2nd issue into it!! lol
                              SS benefits. It's such a depressing moment every year when I get my SS statement that shows me my lifetime contribution, and how much my monthly benefit would be should i retire, or should i become permanently disabled, It's a nice chunk of change considering how long i've been working, and I'm only 28.....
                              ....and then I have to think about how I'll never see that money ever again because it will be depleted=(</P>
                              Oderint Dum Metuant

                              It's too bad, I'm too good....

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                                [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="byron"]


                                [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]Forget high deductables, co-pays and long lines at the Dr office. Ya know whats REALLY rough, not having insurance
                                [/quote]

                                Yeah, it sucks, but they can not refuse you, if you show up at the ER they will treat you, yes you will have some heinous bills to pay...but you can do monthly installments worse comes to worse you may have to go bankrupt...

                                whats worse then a small percentage of Americans not having insurance though is a reduction in the quality of care for ALL Americans just to cover the small portion who don't have it.

                                PS: Lunch Time.
                                [/quote]You obviously have health insurance and pay a reasonable amount

                                Next time you have a minute and see how much private out of pocket health insurance is for 1 person, its DISGUSTING

                                And I totally disagree, it may be worse for YOU, but as a whole, the country would be much better off if we had nationwide healthcare. I think you guys can afford an extra $3 on prescriptions when you compare that situation to those who cant afford the most basic health insurance.

                                If we're gonna claim to be the best country in the world, we gotta help our own people 1st
                                [/quote]</P>


                                Daven wants all the health care for himself.....my wife works for the federal gov...VA....we pay for part of our health insurance.....Federal Blue cross blue shieldits like an 80 % plan with copays and such....last year it <FONT color=#ffffff>notcost</FONT> us $5179.00 or about431.00 bucks a month...I don't consider this cheap and there is no way we will be able to keep this when she retires.... I have been paying for SS all working life and you can bet your *** I'll be drawing it down one day soon..or they can give me my money back </P>[/quote]And if I wanted to pay out of pocket for something like Healthy NY or a crappy bottom of the barrel insurance plan it would be nearly the same price, FOR 1 PERSON!!!!!
                                [/quote] I hear ya Kase...There was a time Kase when almost every desent job can with Insurance as part of the pay when I worked at the shipyard 70/80's "Blue Cross" was at no cost to workers ....over time companies reeled it in employers found ways not to have to have it through loop holes in the regulations...its not a simple mess this country inyou can't point to one thing as a fix the whole thing...its a mess plain and simple....

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