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  • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up



    [quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]</P>


    Exactly the same as my Secretariat argument. These guys are confusing the "defending championship" line that gets thrown around. You are Champs until someone else becomes champ.</P>


    It has NEVER been written that a championship is "vacant". When a team is eliminated.</P>
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    • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

      [quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

      See I disagree, I don't think the Giants were reigning champs anymore immediately after our loss to Philly.

      <font color="#0000ff" size="4">Definition time.

      <span class="hw">reign</span> <object style="margin: 1px;" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,0,0" width="13" height="21"><param name="movie" value="http://img.tfd.com/m/sound.swf"><param name="menu" value="false"><param name="wmode" value="transparent"><param name="FlashVars" value="sound_src=http://img.tfd.com/hm/mp3/R0025000.mp3"><embed src="http://img.tfd.com/m/sound.swf" flashvars="sound_src=http://img.tfd.com/hm/mp3/R0025000.mp3" menu="false" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" width="13" height="21"></object><span class="pron" onmouseover="return m_over('Click for pronunciation key')" onmouseout="m_out()" onclick="pron_key()">(rn)</span>n.
      </font><script>play_w2("R0025000")</script><div class="ds-list"><font color="#0000ff" size="4">1. Exercise of sovereign power, as by a monarch.</font></div><div class="ds-list"><font color="#0000ff" size="4">2. The period during which a monarch rules.</font></div><font color="#0000ff" size="4">3. Dominance or widespread influence:
      </font>
      1. clearly states... EXERCISE of power, you can't Exercise...aka USE a power if you are no longer there.

      once out of the running you are no longer there, you might as well not even be part of the league for the rest of the season, how can you Exercise your power, or be considered Dominate... or have a widespread influence ....if you are not even on the field/court/stage...whatever.

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      • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up



        [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

        No, no, no Blondie....

        If you are not in the running for Ms. America 2010 after winning it in 2009, you are "last year's Ms. America"

        If the Phillies don't make the playoffs (and they won't, don't worry []), they won't be the reigning champs or the defending champs because they got beat. They will be last year's champs, not defending because they got eliminated.

        The Giants were the defending champs until the Eagles knocked us out. Then we became last year's champs. Somebody knocked us off the throne and the throne was vacated until Pittsburgh won
        [/quote]</P>


        No, you are the current Miss America. Ask the pageant commitee.</P>
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        • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

          [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

          See I disagree, I don't think the Giants were reigning champs anymore immediately after our loss to Philly.

          <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Definition time.

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          <DIV class=ds-list><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>1. Exercise of sovereign power, as by a monarch.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV class=ds-list><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>2. The period during which a monarch rules.</FONT></DIV>


          <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>3. Dominance or widespread influence:
          </FONT>
          1. clearly states... EXERCISE of power, you can't Exercise...aka USE a power if you are no longer there.

          once out of the running you are no longer there, you might as well not even be part of the league for the rest of the season, how can you Exercise your power, or be considered Dominate... or have a widespread influence ....if you are not even on the field/court/stage...whatever.
          [/quote]</P>


          OMG Daven. Your the "current Champion"........ jeez!</P>
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          • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

            [quote user="Morehead State"]

            [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

            No, no, no Blondie....

            If you are not in the running for Ms. America 2010 after winning it in 2009, you are "last year's Ms. America"

            If the Phillies don't make the playoffs (and they won't, don't worry []), they won't be the reigning champs or the defending champs because they got beat. They will be last year's champs, not defending because they got eliminated.

            The Giants were the defending champs until the Eagles knocked us out. Then we became last year's champs. Somebody knocked us off the throne and the throne was vacated until Pittsburgh won
            [/quote]</p>


            No, you are the current Miss America. Ask the pageant commitee.</p>[/quote]

            Dark Morehead comes out again

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            • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up



              [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

              No, no, no Blondie....

              If you are not in the running for Ms. America 2010 after winning it in 2009, you are "last year's Ms. America"

              If the Phillies don't make the playoffs (and they won't, don't worry []), they won't be the reigning champs or the defending champs because they got beat. They will be last year's champs, not defending because they got eliminated.

              The Giants were the defending champs until the Eagles knocked us out. Then we became last year's champs. Somebody knocked us off the throne and the throne was vacated until Pittsburgh won
              [/quote]</P>


              that doesnt make any sence what so ever</P>

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              • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up



                [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

                No, no, no Blondie....

                If you are not in the running for Ms. America 2010 after winning it in 2009, you are "last year's Ms. America"

                If the Phillies don't make the playoffs (and they won't, don't worry []), they won't be the reigning champs or the defending champs because they got beat. They will be last year's champs, not defending because they got eliminated.

                The Giants were the defending champs until the Eagles knocked us out. Then we became last year's champs. Somebody knocked us off the throne and the throne was vacated until Pittsburgh won
                [/quote]</P>


                Fine, show me anywhere where the league took that position. Show me the league defenition of "vacant championship".</P>
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                • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

                  [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

                  See I disagree, I don't think the Giants were reigning champs anymore immediately after our loss to Philly.

                  <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Definition time.

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                  <OBJECT style="MARGIN: 1px" codeBase=http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,0,0 height=21 width=13 classid=clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000><PARAM NAME="_cx" VALUE="344"><PARAM NAME="_cy" VALUE="556"><PARAM NAME="FlashVars" VALUE=""><PARAM NAME="Movie" VALUE="http://img.tfd.com/m/sound.swf"><PARAM NAME="Src" VALUE="http://img.tfd.com/m/sound.swf"><PARAM NAME="WMode" VALUE="Transparent"><PARAM NAME="Play" VALUE="-1"><PARAM NAME="Loop" VALUE="-1"><PARAM NAME="Quality" VALUE="High"><PARAM NAME="SAlign" VALUE="LT"><PARAM NAME="Menu" VALUE="0"><PARAM NAME="Base" VALUE=""><PARAM NAME="AllowScriptAccess" VALUE=""><PARAM NAME="Scale" VALUE="NoScale"><PARAM NAME="DeviceFont" VALUE="0"><PARAM NAME="EmbedMovie" VALUE="0"><PARAM NAME="BGColor" VALUE=""><PARAM NAME="SWRemote" VALUE=""><PARAM NAME="MovieData" VALUE=""><PARAM NAME="SeamlessTabbing" VALUE="1"><PARAM NAME="Profile" VALUE="0"><PARAM NAME="ProfileAddress" VALUE=""><PARAM NAME="ProfilePort" VALUE="0"><PARAM NAME="AllowNetworking" VALUE="all"><PARAM NAME="AllowFullScreen" VALUE="false">
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                  <DIV class=ds-list><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>1. Exercise of sovereign power, as by a monarch.</FONT></DIV>
                  <DIV class=ds-list><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>2. The period during which a monarch rules.</FONT></DIV>


                  <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>3. Dominance or widespread influence:
                  </FONT>
                  1. clearly states... EXERCISE of power, you can't Exercise...aka USE a power if you are no longer there.

                  once out of the running you are no longer there, you might as well not even be part of the league for the rest of the season, how can you Exercise your power, or be considered Dominate... or have a widespread influence ....if you are not even on the field/court/stage...whatever.
                  [/quote]</P>


                  "THE PERIOD DURING WHICH MONARCH RULES." </P>


                  and the giants still ruled until the steelers won. the period from superbowl to superbowl is about a year. </P>

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                  • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up



                    there is a difference between defending champs and reigning champs. you are the DEFINDING champs until someone knocks you out, that i can understand because if you dont have a chance at defending your current title ok fine but you are still the reigning champs until someone else is crowned champion no matter how you slice it...</P>

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                    • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

                      [quote user="dezzzR"]

                      [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

                      No, no, no Blondie....

                      If you are not in the running for Ms. America 2010 after winning it in 2009, you are "last year's Ms. America"

                      If the Phillies don't make the playoffs (and they won't, don't worry []), they won't be the reigning champs or the defending champs because they got beat. They will be last year's champs, not defending because they got eliminated.

                      The Giants were the defending champs until the Eagles knocked us out. Then we became last year's champs. Somebody knocked us off the throne and the throne was vacated until Pittsburgh won
                      [/quote]</p>


                      that doesnt make any sence what so ever</p>[/quote]

                      It makes perfect sense

                      Let's throw the whole Ms. America thing out of the way for a minute here, because that screwed us up

                      This year in the NBA, the Celtics were on the figurative throne. The were sitting in the throne, the kings of the NBA and were defending their title all season long. Made the playoffs and everything.

                      They got eliminated in the second round. They are no longer reigning champs or defending champs. Somebody beat them and knocked them off their throne. The throne is now vacated. They are unable to defend their championship now because they got knocked out. The throne is free and is there for the taking for either Orlando or LA

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                      • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

                        [quote user="Morehead State"]

                        OMG Daven. Your the "current Champion"........ jeez!</p>[/quote]

                        well many others are calling it the reigning champ when, by definition, that's impossible, it's impossible to be a reigning champion if you no longer have the ability to exercise your power as champ.

                        Current Champ is a different discussion...one I also clearly disagree with you on [:P]

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                        • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

                          [quote user="Morehead State"]

                          [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

                          No, no, no Blondie....

                          If you are not in the running for Ms. America 2010 after winning it in 2009, you are "last year's Ms. America"

                          If the Phillies don't make the playoffs (and they won't, don't worry []), they won't be the reigning champs or the defending champs because they got beat. They will be last year's champs, not defending because they got eliminated.

                          The Giants were the defending champs until the Eagles knocked us out. Then we became last year's champs. Somebody knocked us off the throne and the throne was vacated until Pittsburgh won
                          [/quote]</p>


                          Fine, show me anywhere where the league took that position. Show me the league defenition of "vacant championship".</p>[/quote]

                          Make me the Czar of Sports and there will be a definition.

                          When the Giants got eliminated, did people still call them the defending champions or the reigning champs? Or were they just the Super Bowl XLII champs?

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                          • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

                            [quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

                            comparing a beauty pagent or a horse race like the derby is apples to oranges...

                            in those events its a different person/horse every year. There is no ability to repeat in that. In professional team sports, its the same teams every year competing for the same thing.
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                            • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

                              [quote user="ibleedblue85"]

                              there is a difference between defending champs and reigning champs.
                              </p>[/quote]

                              Not by definition there isn't Amanda? did you read the definition I posted of Reigning.

                              you need to have the ability to "Reign" or control your destiny in order to be considered a reigning champ, you need to be able to exercise you power...once you are mathmaticly eliminated that's taken away from you, thus, if you are no longer a defending champ...logically you can not be a reigning champ.

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                              • Re: Oct 11th vs RAIDERS --- We Be Meeting Up

                                [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="dezzzR"]


                                [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="ibleedblue85"]i have an arguement here.. sorry to bring the girl aspect in... but think of it this way like a beauty pagent.you win... there for you are miss. america, you are miss america until there is a new one crowned the following year- EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE RUNNING. therefore, the phillies are the reigning champs. if they dont make the playoffs they are still the reigning champs until somenone else wins the world series. just like the giants were the reigning champs until the steelers won, even after the eagles knocked us out.[/quote]

                                No, no, no Blondie....

                                If you are not in the running for Ms. America 2010 after winning it in 2009, you are "last year's Ms. America"

                                If the Phillies don't make the playoffs (and they won't, don't worry []), they won't be the reigning champs or the defending champs because they got beat. They will be last year's champs, not defending because they got eliminated.

                                The Giants were the defending champs until the Eagles knocked us out. Then we became last year's champs. Somebody knocked us off the throne and the throne was vacated until Pittsburgh won
                                [/quote]</P>


                                that doesnt make any sence what so ever</P>


                                [/quote]

                                It makes perfect sense

                                Let's throw the whole Ms. America thing out of the way for a minute here, because that screwed us up

                                This year in the NBA, the Celtics were on the figurative throne. The were sitting in the throne, the kings of the NBA and were defending their title all season long. Made the playoffs and everything.

                                They got eliminated in the second round. They are no longer reigning champs or defending champs. Somebody beat them and knocked them off their throne. The throne is now vacated. They are unable to defend their championship now because they got knocked out. The throne is free and is there for the taking for either Orlando or LA
                                [/quote]</P>


                                NOOOO. correct me if im wrong but the celtics are STILL the champs. no ones taken anything away from them yet. no ones won the championship. how arent they the current champs. so what they got knocked out. theyre no longer the defending champions. but they are still the reign champs no matter what.</P>

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