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  • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
    especially a small business. 250k before overhead is not a lot at all.
    Exactly, like I said before, you could show a income of 400-or-500K a year if you own a small business but only 75-100K of that (or less) will be take home $$$ the rest will be going towards other employees, the building, advertising and whatever else you need to stay in business....yet you'll get taxes as though you where taking all 500k of it home.

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    • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
      apparently you don't, my mother is going to be forced to quit her job soon even though she doesn't want to because her 60-70k a year puts the household income into a higher tax bracket...that bracket is so much higher that if she chooses not to work...and they drop to the lower bracket...they actually take home more money then if she was working.

      and trust me Pizz, 250k is NOT comfortable when you have a family living in NY...it's doable..but far from comfortable.

      I'm under the assumption that you understand that in NY 250k a year = somewhere around 100-110k take home for the entire year....Kids+Mortgage+Gas....and just general every day life things like groceries and health care....it all adds up and makes 110K seem uncomfortable for a 5 person family, I'm not saying there aren't people worse off...but a family making between 250-300k in NY is nowhere even remotely close to "rich"
      If you listen to Obama, you would think that anyone making $250 or more should be wearing a top hat and monocle.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
        apparently you don't, my mother is going to be forced to quit her job soon even though she doesn't want to because her 60-70k a year puts the household income into a higher tax bracket...that bracket is so much higher that if she chooses not to work...and they drop to the lower bracket...they actually take home more money then if she was working.

        and trust me Pizz, 250k is NOT comfortable when you have a family living in NY...it's doable..but far from comfortable.

        I'm under the assumption that you understand that in NY 250k a year = somewhere around 100-110k take home for the entire year....Kids+Mortgage+Gas....and just general every day life things like groceries and health care....it all adds up and makes 110K seem uncomfortable for a 5 person family, I'm not saying there aren't people worse off...but a family making between 250-300k in NY is nowhere even remotely close to "rich"
        I've lived in NY all 29 years, my 2 parents combine for less than 90k income(my mom makes less than I do by alot, but shes not a skilled worker), 3 sons living under their roof(well, me, on and off for the past 10 but i pay my mother to live at home)....7k annual prop/school tax on less than a quarter acre, and then of course income tax, and I dont want to even take a stab as to what that equates to in disposable income. so it would appear that even your view is slightly skewed in that respect.

        I didnt say rich...i said comfortable.
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        • wow, i just realized that it's possible that neither of you can relate to a normal living situation of people like my family....
          Oderint Dum Metuant

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          • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
            wow, i just realized that it's possible that neither of you can relate to a normal living situation of people like my family....
            Why?
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
              wow, i just realized that it's possible that neither of you can relate to a normal living situation of people like my family....
              Until I was 18-19 years old Pizz my family was worse off then yours (less then 90K) there is not a substantial difference between what you grew up like and what you would have grown up like had your parents made double, trust me I know I lived through both situations....the tax brackets the way they are now...work WAY WAY better then you believe, to the point that we are taxing "high middle class" families as though they were rich already...right now, and Obama wants to make it worse

              I think the reason I understand this is because I CAN relate to both sides...since I've been there.

              I had to buy my own car Pizz because my parents couldn't afford to do so for me, I had to start working when I was 14, trust me I understand...I think perhaps you are misinformed about your own situation if anything.
              Last edited by DavenIII; 10-04-2012, 03:13 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                Why?
                The difference between Daven's mother and father's tax bracket issue, with their income, is nothing that ppl making 50k/yr(which last time i check is actually higher than the NY median) can relate to....it's like one of those #FirstWorldProblems posts.
                People wonder why there's class warfare(if you want to call it that. personally i dont)....its because of things like this.

                Daven tells me this as if I'm supposed to understand that problem, and im like "oh, I'm sorry, but i dont get it....my stepfather had to find a part time job, to offset property taxes and rebuild his bank account..... not worry about quitting one."

                This isn't a stab at Daven. I know you guys know I like you. but it makes me realize how out of touch people sometimes are with each other.

                You think if they made 250k in NY, that I'd even be talking about this? lol
                Last edited by JPizzack; 10-04-2012, 03:15 PM.
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                • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
                  Until I was 18-19 years old Pizz my family was worse off then yours (less then 90K) there is not a substantial difference between what you grew up like and what you would have grown up like had your parents made double, trust me I know I lived through both situations....the tax brackets the way they are now...work WAY WAY better then you believe...

                  I think the reason I understand this is because I CAN relate to both sides...since I've been there.

                  I had to buy my own car Pizz because my parents couldn't afford to do so for me, I had to start working when I was 14, trust me I understand...I think perhaps you are misinformed about your own situation if anything.
                  well im glad you say you can relate. but i dont know how i could be misinformed. my parents no longer make 90k....im not sure what my stepdad makes anymore, but i know my mom makes less than 40k

                  for the record Daven, youre just listing things that I've done also, lol......i know my living situation would have not been substantially different. but there WOULD be a difference between my parents struggling with it, and DEALING with it.

                  my message to the ACTUAL rich would be just that...."Deal with it"
                  Last edited by JPizzack; 10-04-2012, 03:17 PM.
                  Oderint Dum Metuant

                  It's too bad, I'm too good....

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                  • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                    The difference between Daven's mother and father's tax bracket issue, with their income, is nothing that ppl making 50k/yr(which last time i check is actually higher than the NY median) can relate to....it's like one of those #FirstWorldProblems posts.
                    People wonder why their's class warfare(if you want to call it that. personally i dont)....its because of things like this.

                    Daven tells me this as if I'm supposed to understand that problem, and im like "oh, I'm sorry, but i dont get it....my stepfather had to find a part time job, to offset property taxes and rebuild his bank account..... not worry about quitting one."

                    This isn't a stab at Daven. I know you guys know I like you. but it makes me realize how out of touch people sometimes are with each other.

                    You think if they made 250k in NY, that I'd even be talking about this? lol
                    When I was 33 I had to take a part time job handing out towels and keys at a health club. I had 3 kids at home, a constantly late mortgage, a reposessed car and a crazy drunken wife. Then Lowell Weiker decided that we needed to pay a Connecticut income tax, and that i was "wealthy" enough to pay it.

                    Everyone has had their **** Piz. Very few get away scott free. Yours is not some exclusive club.
                    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                    • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                      well im glad you say you can relate. but i dont know how i could be misinformed. my parents no longer make 90k....im not sure what my stepdad makes anymore, but i know my mom makes less than 40k

                      for the record Daven, youre just listing things that I've done also, lol......i know my living situation would have not been substantially different. but there WOULD be a difference between my parents struggling with it, and DEALING with it.


                      that's my point Pizz, even though you think my family is some "well to do" family your situation and my situation was very similar....you are misinformed on what "rich" is.

                      Was there a difference, perhaps a small one maybe I got playstation when you didn't? but not a difference worth a 15-20% tax hike on my family vs yours because we are "rich" when you are not (even though we have the same lifestyle lol)



                      Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                      my message to the ACTUAL rich would be just that...."Deal with it"
                      whats your definition of "actual" rich?
                      Last edited by DavenIII; 10-04-2012, 03:25 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                        The difference between Daven's mother and father's tax bracket issue, with their income, is nothing that ppl making 50k/yr(which last time i check is actually higher than the NY median) can relate to....it's like one of those #FirstWorldProblems posts.
                        People wonder why there's class warfare(if you want to call it that. personally i dont)....its because of things like this.

                        Daven tells me this as if I'm supposed to understand that problem, and im like "oh, I'm sorry, but i dont get it....my stepfather had to find a part time job, to offset property taxes and rebuild his bank account..... not worry about quitting one."

                        This isn't a stab at Daven. I know you guys know I like you. but it makes me realize how out of touch people sometimes are with each other.

                        You think if they made 250k in NY, that I'd even be talking about this? lol
                        50k median is 100K already Pizz...because it's house hold income right and both members of the family are working, on top of that if you are only making 100k as a family you are in a low tax bracket...you are taking 70% or more of that home (and getting other benefits from the government at that point)

                        70% of 100k is 70k

                        conversely if you are making 250k you are only bringing 50%ish home so now that's 125K right?

                        think about kids...the 250K family has to pay for their kids college out of pocket...but the 100k Family get's federally supported scholarships that 10-20K a year right there.

                        the gap between a family making 250k and 100k is MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller then you think Pizz...and that's the problem, Obama is making you hate people who in all respects are JUST LIKE YOU because he's telling you we aren't.

                        I'm lucky to have learned this by having lived in both situations, you having only lived in my original situation can not fathom that making twice as much money as you make now would make almost no difference....but it's the truth...I know from experience.

                        obviously when you are talking about millionaires it's different....but until you get up to much higher levels everyone else is still middle class...they still live similar lives.
                        Last edited by DavenIII; 10-04-2012, 03:33 PM.

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                        • I'm offended that you think I hate ppl because "Obama tells me so" like im some sort of democrat puppet....I've never had much sympathy for people who got taxed more because they made significantly more. Good for them....but dont cry about it.
                          That goes way before I even knew who Obama was.

                          And you don't have to preach to me if youre in the same financial situation I'm in....which by the way is fine.
                          Oderint Dum Metuant

                          It's too bad, I'm too good....

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                          • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                            I'm offended that you think I hate ppl because "Obama tells me so" like im some sort of democrat puppet....I've never had much sympathy for people who got taxed more because they made significantly more. Good for them....but dont cry about it.
                            That goes way before I even knew who Obama was.

                            And you don't have to preach to me if youre in the same financial situation I'm in....which by the way is fine.
                            Let's put it this way.......How have the last 4 years worked out for you?
                            Not too good for me.
                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                              I'm offended that you think I hate ppl because "Obama tells me so" like im some sort of democrat puppet....I've never had much sympathy for people who got taxed more because they made significantly more. Good for them....but dont cry about it.
                              That goes way before I even knew who Obama was.

                              And you don't have to preach to me if youre in the same financial situation I'm in....which by the way is fine.
                              no one expects or wants your sympathy here, what I'm telling you is that 250k is in my opinion, still well inside the "Middle Class" since my lifestyle and your lifestyle were "very" similar growing up I think that's proof of that, correct?

                              so why is Obama trying to make sure those families making over 250k are taxed more heavily? what reason is there for it....these are families JUST LIKE YOURS ... does your family need to pay more taxes too? think how a 10% increase in taxes to your family would feel....

                              I don't want your sympathy, I want you to understand what's being proposed...Obama doesn't want to only increase tax rates on monocle wearing rich folk...he wants to increase the tax rate on families just like yours.
                              Last edited by DavenIII; 10-04-2012, 03:54 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                                I'm offended that you think I hate ppl because "Obama tells me so" like im some sort of democrat puppet....I've never had much sympathy for people who got taxed more because they made significantly more. Good for them....but dont cry about it.
                                That goes way before I even knew who Obama was.

                                And you don't have to preach to me if youre in the same financial situation I'm in....which by the way is fine.
                                I dont think you hate them, but in some of your posts you demonize them. And many on the left feel the same you do.
                                You think its ok for the gov to take almost half your income? doesnt matter what class, its not right, its not American.

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