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  • Originally posted by J****ack View Post
    OHHHH **** NO...you cant pull that argument now!!! Not after saying for god knows how long that this is a different era when QBs are babied, and stats arent everything. I can't believe im even reading this!!!!
    he's trying to Daven...I started looking first was Roethlisberger who of course is not 2/1 either...and I'm sure there are a ton of other current QB's who MH would say are great that this applies to as well...but there is no point it proving him wrong, he's just looking to argue :-P

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    • Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

      199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?

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      • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
        he's trying to Daven...I started looking first was Roethlisberger who of course is not 2/1 either...and I'm sure there are a ton of other current QB's who MH would say are great that this applies to as well...but there is no point it proving him wrong, he's just looking to argue :-P
        I'm not doing that at all Scrappy. I'm only saying that a QB in his prime should have a far better ratio.
        Look at all the elite QB's in football today. They are off the charts in that respect.
        This isn't an "Eli sucks" position. But it is of concern to me. Of course its not to you because you wear blinders.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
          Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

          199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?
          Shutup Daven....Phil Simms was the greatest football player to ever grace the gridiron.
          Oderint Dum Metuant

          It's too bad, I'm too good....

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          • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
            Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

            199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?
            Almost in Namaths category in that aspect.

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            • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
              Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

              199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?
              Please pay attention Daven. In the 80's, that was more than acceptable, It was actually outstanding. Back then if you have more TD's than picks you were ahead of the game.
              In THIS era its not. The rule favor the passing game so much now. The NFL is making it easy to throw the ball. In THIS era, a 2 to 1 ratio is a baseline expectation for a good QB (not great...just good) in his prime.
              And in Eli's case, he's not even improving in this catagory. He's essentially where he was in 2005. I get that Eli is kind of an exception (as is Cutler in my view) because of his ability to win big games and run the two minute drill, but he needs to pick up his efficiency in this regard to meet even minimum standards.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • Originally posted by J****ack View Post
                Shutup Daven....Phil Simms was the greatest football player to ever grace the gridiron.
                That's very Morehead of you to say... lol
                I saw Phil play a good amount of his years, and he was a great player. One of the toughest players I have ever seen. He took hits that took players out for seasons. Hense why he was injured a lot early on in his career. Other then Marino, Elway and Montana Phil had one of the best passes in his era. Great spiral, clean release, great accuracy.
                Last edited by ny06; 11-27-2012, 01:30 PM.

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                • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                  Almost in Namaths category in that aspect.
                  If Namath was playing in this era with these rules, he'd be off the friggin charts.
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    I'm not doing that at all Scrappy. I'm only saying that a QB in his prime should have a far better ratio.
                    Look at all the elite QB's in football today. They are off the charts in that respect.
                    This isn't an "Eli sucks" position. But it is of concern to me. Of course its not to you because you wear blinders.
                    You are the one whose wearing glasses MH, hate glasses lol.

                    Big Ben
                    Phillip Rivers
                    Jay Cutler
                    Cam Newton
                    Tony Romo
                    Matt Ryan
                    Matt Hasselbeck
                    Matt Schaub

                    I mean I can keep going MH...there are like 3 or 4 guys who DO have a 2/1 ratio in the NFL (if that)

                    what you are expecting is extremely incredibly rare...like 1 in 100+ QB's in this era rare.

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                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRScrC9i34
                      Watch these throws and tell me that Eli could ever throw the ball like this.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        In THIS era its not. The rule favor the passing game so much now. The NFL is making it easy to throw the ball. In THIS era, a 2 to 1 ratio is a baseline expectation for a good QB (not great...just good) in his prime.
                        I'm the one who brought up the fact that this era the stats mean less because the QB's are practically playing a different game you don't have to remind me, that said wait you are saying is categorical incorrect, you are just wrong, you are rating Eli on some ridiculous level asking for a 2/1 TD/Int ratio which almost never happens even in THIS era...go through all the currently starting QB's in the NFL...you might find 4 or 5 that have what you are looking for, and the ones that do I'll admit...they are better then Eli, but we are talking about Peyton Manning Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers and Drew Bress....and even then I'd still trust Eli over any of them when it comes down to a game winning drive in the 4Qtr....which to me is much more important then some stat line that has no real bearing on whether a QB is good or not.

                        Chad Pennington also looks good probably if you look at TD's vs Ints....he still couldn't through a ball over 20yds and was ****.

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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRScrC9i34
                          Watch these throws and tell me that Eli could ever throw the ball like this.
                          you have good ole days blinders on MH if you think Eli couldn't make every single one of those throws you are crazy....

                          does he "always" do it...no, but he could/can and HAS completed passes not unlike every single one of the ones in your linked video.

                          (Also Simms threw into double coverage A LOT that game huh, I didn't remember that...)

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRScrC9i34
                            Watch these throws and tell me that Eli could ever throw the ball like this.
                            Thats such crap Mh. Should I get a high light real of ELi lighting a defense up?? Eli makes those throws all day every day. Stop

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                            • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
                              I'm the one who brought up the fact that this era the stats mean less because the QB's are practically playing a different game you don't have to remind me, that said wait you are saying is categorical incorrect, you are just wrong, you are rating Eli on some ridiculous level asking for a 2/1 TD/Int ratio which almost never happens even in THIS era...go through all the currently starting QB's in the NFL...you might find 4 or 5 that have what you are looking for, and the ones that do I'll admit...they are better then Eli, but we are talking about Peyton Manning Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers and Drew Bress....and even then I'd still trust Eli over any of them when it comes down to a game winning drive in the 4Qtr....which to me is much more important then some stat line that has no real bearing on whether a QB is good or not.

                              Chad Pennington also looks good probably if you look at TD's vs Ints....he still couldn't through a ball over 20yds and was ****.
                              I'm not "rating" Eli exclusively on this. But to me, this is the only stat that is really telling about a QB's passing ability. The rst is what you see on the field. Obviously a guy who doesn't throw a lot can have a good % but it would show in his lack of yardage. Eli throws a lot but he doesn't throw a lot of TD passes. I would say that a lot of picks is more acceptable if what you said before was true, that he needs to take more chances. If that were true he'd have a lot more TD's to go against the picks. But he doesn't. I'm really not sure why but he definitely lags behind other outstanding QB's in this important guage.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • Originally posted by DavenIII View Post
                                you have good ole days blinders on MH if you think Eli couldn't make every single one of those throws you are crazy....

                                does he "always" do it...no, but he could/can and HAS completed passes not unlike every single one of the ones in your linked video.

                                (Also Simms threw into double coverage A LOT that game huh, I didn't remember that...)
                                Not one of those throws quacked.
                                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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