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  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    The Gmen play different when we have a pass rush. I'm with Morehead on this one except the Rolle comment.
    This is the new NFL. With the new rules. Safeties don't have the impact they used to. They can't hit anybody anymore.
    Its just too easy to pass these days and the secondary in general can only do so much.
    Better to focus our defense on getting after the QB. I mean look at what Baltimore did to the SF defense. If you don't pressure the QB, you lose. Its especially true with us.
    I know that JR understands the way the rules have changed the game. If guys like Gary Fencik and Ronnie Lott played today, they would be kicked out of the league.
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    • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
      I HATE this argument....it's like the most generic thing you can say about any defense in the history of football. ALL defenses are going to be better with a good passrush. Just because traditionally we've had a good one, doesnt mean that the rest of our D should be **** the rest of the time. But it's fairly accurate in recent history lol
      Its always been true Pizz, but its more true in the last few years. defenses have been stripped of their abilty to play defense. All you can do now is rush the passer and disrupt that way. there are few other ways to succeed.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
        I HATE this argument....it's like the most generic thing you can say about any defense in the history of football. ALL defenses are going to be better with a good passrush. Just because traditionally we've had a good one, doesnt mean that the rest of our D should be **** the rest of the time. But it's fairly accurate in recent history lol
        Our defense has always been built on our pass rush. Generic or not, it's the truth.
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          Rolle is NOT garbage.
          Look at any big play against us last year and chances are you'll see rolle free lancing out of position.

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          • Its impossible to have a great passrush all the time. That's a pipedream. You NEED good players in the second level. Its not about our safetys being able to hit people. you need players that are good in space. KP is one of those guys. everyone says this is a passing league. its true, so you need players that can play the pass. like I said, the rush cannot always get there. You still need to have a complete defense.

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            • Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
              Look at any big play against us last year and chances are you'll see rolle free lancing out of position.
              Well I don't have access to game film. I just go by what I remember from the games last year.
              Of course in KP's situation, there isn't much since he only played 7 games. Really he only played 4 near 100%.
              Maybe that's another reason we haven't offered KP what he wants. Because I'm sure he wants to stay.
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              • Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
                Its impossible to have a great passrush all the time. That's a pipedream. You NEED good players in the second level. Its not about our safetys being able to hit people. you need players that are good in space. KP is one of those guys. everyone says this is a passing league. its true, so you need players that can play the pass. like I said, the rush cannot always get there. You still need a complete defense.
                KP has good instincts but so did Brown. I agree that you can't rely on the pass rush all the time, but the top priority has to be the pass rush. I'm just saying that the priorities of our FO should be to favor those components of the defense that create pressure on the QB.
                Because I don't care who you have back there. It could be Darrell Green and Ronnie Lott. If you don't pressure the QB, your secondary is getting torched. There is only one shut down corner in the NFL and he's coming off an ACL.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
                  Look at any big play against us last year and chances are you'll see rolle free lancing out of position.
                  Yuuup

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                  • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                    it absolutely will.

                    we already have no depth, our corners NEED safety help, and KP is the only one proven to be effective at it. Rolle is garbage, brown could very well be hugely overrated.
                    First year in our defense, starting only half the year practically, and he performed extremely well. Stevie had hardly any snaps on other teams and he comes here and becomes a ballhawk right off the bat. Like in his first snap replacing Rolle he gets a pick iirc. He reads the QB extremely well and can play in space.

                    Something Rolle cannot. Dudes constantly playing in a no mans land.

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                    • Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
                      First year in our defense, starting only half the year practically, and he performed extremely well. Stevie had hardly any snaps on other teams and he comes here and becomes a ballhawk right off the bat. Like in his first snap replacing Rolle he gets a pick iirc. He reads the QB extremely well and can play in space.

                      Something Rolle cannot. Dudes constantly playing in a no mans land.
                      I'm not saying he's bad....not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying I'm not going to christen him the best safety around or anything after 1 season.
                      Oderint Dum Metuant

                      It's too bad, I'm too good....

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                      • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                        I'm not saying he's bad....not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying I'm not going to christen him the best safety around or anything after 1 season.
                        I think Stevie was out of position a lot as well. But he has an eye for the ball and that goes a long way.
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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          KP has good instincts but so did Brown. I agree that you can't rely on the pass rush all the time, but the top priority has to be the pass rush. I'm just saying that the priorities of our FO should be to favor those components of the defense that create pressure on the QB.
                          Because I don't care who you have back there. It could be Darrell Green and Ronnie Lott. If you don't pressure the QB, your secondary is getting torched. There is only one shut down corner in the NFL and he's coming off an ACL.
                          Passrush is always the priority, and its something that the Giants have committed to, yielding 2 SB's in 4-5 years.

                          Nonetheless, you still need players on the other half of the field. Passrush first, but that does not cancel out a great secondary. That is more important now than ever before. For how many high picks that Reese has spent on passrushers, he selects DB's as well.

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                          • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                            I'm not saying he's bad....not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying I'm not going to christen him the best safety around or anything after 1 season.
                            I know, not saying you were. He's not even the best safety on this team, but he gives us a new dimension that no one else on the defense has either.

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                            • Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
                              Passrush is always the priority, and its something that the Giants have committed to, yielding 2 SB's in 4-5 years.

                              Nonetheless, you still need players on the other half of the field. Passrush first, but that does not cancel out a great secondary. That is more important now than ever before. For how many high picks that Reese has spent on passrushers, he selects DB's as well.
                              Honestly...We won those 2 SB's without them.
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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                I think Stevie was out of position a lot as well. But he has an eye for the ball and that goes a long way.
                                Only a few times, yes he was. To give some comparison, Antrel was out of position every game! A lot of Webster's blown coverages were the result of Roll being out of position more so than anyone else in the secondary.

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