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  • Originally posted by byron View Post
    Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....
    Yes, I believe that report because that came from Mara himself. Not a source that ESPN reported.
    Mood: WOOF!

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    • Originally posted by byron View Post
      Who is this Shefter guy and what the hell does he know about anything ? Sounds like he is speculating on the subject as well..."they are far apart because Cruz isn't working out?" Cruz isn't working out because he hasn't signed the deal offered, and would have to sign an injury waiver or the tender to have insurance ...anyhow there is plenty of truth in what is being report you just got to look for it , its not hiding man your just focused on one detail "the offer amount "....I never said I believed any of that
      No...He's saying that there is a lot of reporting about offers and demands, but no one knows anything. And he knows stuff before anyone else does.

      So if he's saying that no one knows, it means that no one knows.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by byron View Post
        Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....
        Yes...he suggested that they offered a better deal than Welker got. Buts that's all he said. Does that mean that they offered more years? Less years but higher annual salary? More guaranteed money? If yes to any of these...how much more or how many more?
        All these "speculators" have filled in the blanks with pure speculation and then reporting it as fact. All hoping that some poor MB posters, thirsty for ANY information, will eat it up.

        And they have.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
          Yes, I believe that report because that came from Mara himself. Not a source that ESPN reported.
          you didn't answer my question ... from my last post "so there is some truth in what is being reported ?"...I left out the ? in my above post sorry Rudy
          Last edited by byron; 04-16-2013, 08:34 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
            Yes...he suggested that they offered a better deal than Welker got. Buts that's all he said. Does that mean that they offered more years? Less years but higher annual salary? More guaranteed money? If yes to any of these...how much more or how many more?
            All these "speculators" have filled in the blanks with pure speculation and then reporting it as fact. All hoping that some poor MB posters, thirsty for ANY information, will eat it up.

            And they have.
            that's to bad ... my argument is that there is some truth in what is being reported how am I wrong....

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            • Originally posted by byron View Post
              you didn't answer my question
              I know Mr. Mara said that. They actually quoted a real person. Now...if someone actually quotes Victor Cruz, Tom Condon, Jerry Reese or John Mara on the specific details of the negotiations then that would have credibility.

              That's my point B. These dubious reports just regurgitate speculation and some folks accept it as truth. No one cites anyone specifically. Given that, and given that parties are very unlikely to share the real details of a contract negotiation, those reports are worth next to nothing.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • Originally posted by byron View Post
                Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....
                Originally posted by byron View Post
                you didn't answer my question
                But I did.

                Mara HIMSELF came out and said he would make Cruz a very rich young man. $7 million, 3 years.

                There are random sources being reported saying totally different and conflicting things. None of which are confirmed. I don't believe those reports.
                Mood: WOOF!

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                • Originally posted by byron View Post
                  that's to bad ... my argument is that there is some truth in what is being reported how am I wrong....
                  What part?
                  The only thing I believe is what Mr. Mara is known to have said. What he said offers NO SPECIFICS at all.
                  So the supposed $21MM guarantee, the supposed $10 to $11MM demands, all the rest of the crap means NOTHING.
                  There is no reason to believe any of it.
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    I know Mr. Mara said that. They actually quoted a real person. Now...if someone actually quotes Victor Cruz, Tom Condon, Jerry Reese or John Mara on the specific details of the negotiations then that would have credibility.

                    That's my point B. These dubious reports just regurgitate speculation and some folks accept it as truth. No one cites anyone specifically. Given that, and given that parties are very unlikely to share the real details of a contract negotiation, those reports are worth next to nothing.
                    you called me out in a post today as if I was buying everything that is being reported.... that's just not true all I ever said right from the get go was that I believed that there is some truth to what is being reported ....no more no less... Your the one bringing in all the rest of this **** ...what the hell man

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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      What part?
                      The only thing I believe is what Mr. Mara is known to have said. What he said offers NO SPECIFICS at all.
                      So the supposed $21MM guarantee, the supposed $10 to $11MM demands, all the rest of the crap means NOTHING.
                      There is no reason to believe any of it.
                      Where have I said I believe any of that ? And the only report I remember reading was like 7mil average with 21 g money with no years reported speculation in that report was 4 to 5 years....but man that was a while ago.....one of the first reports to come out

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                      • Originally posted by byron View Post
                        you called me out in a post today as if I was buying everything that is being reported.... that's just not true all I ever said right from the get go was that I believed that there is some truth to what is being reported ....no more no less... Your the one bringing in all the rest of this **** ...what the hell man
                        I really don't think I was "calling you out". I directed my post to you and Dez because we were talking about it yesterday and your view was that these reports had some credibility.
                        I say they don't have much at all. At least not any that cite specific numbers being discussed in contract negotiations. That can't be known.

                        Plus its the friggin off season. We can discuss how much Eli sucks once the season starts.
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                          But I did.

                          Mara HIMSELF came out and said he would make Cruz a very rich young man. $7 million, 3 years.

                          There are random sources being reported saying totally different and conflicting things. None of which are confirmed. I don't believe those reports.
                          Which was reported...I have no problem with you not wanting to believe random sources ....I'm trying to make a simple point that some of what is being reported it true ...you adding in all the rest of the stuff as if you think I believe everything I've read .....

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            I really don't think I was "calling you out". I directed my post to you and Dez because we were talking about it yesterday and your view was that these reports had some credibility.
                            I say they don't have much at all. At least not any that cite specific numbers being discussed in contract negotiations. That can't be known.

                            Plus its the friggin off season. We can discuss how much Eli sucks once the season starts.
                            I made the simple statement that some of what is being reported is true....I never mentioned numbers or said I believed any of those reports ....maybe calling out was the wrong way to say it..."Directed your post may have been better"...I don't mean to stifle discussion....so I'll say it again Not all of what we read is un-true !
                            Last edited by byron; 04-16-2013, 09:20 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by byron View Post
                              I made the simple statement that some of what is being reported is true....I never mentioned numbers or said I believed any of those reports ....maybe calling out was the wrong way to say it..."Directed your post may have been better"...I don't mean to stifle discussion....so I'll say it again Not all of what we read is un-true !
                              Well put it this way....all the reporting about the numbers is not based on any real information by anyone who's in a position to know.

                              I'm not saying none of it is true. I'm saying its speculation. I'm speculating that the Giants have offered him something like $28MM over 5 years with about $12M guaranteed. I may be right but its just a guess. I didn't get that from anyone involved in the negotiations. So someone else does the same thing on one of these websites and Dez posts it and states it as if its solid reporting.
                              That's my point.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                Well put it this way....all the reporting about the numbers is not based on any real information by anyone who's in a position to know.

                                I'm not saying none of it is true. I'm saying its speculation. I'm speculating that the Giants have offered him something like $28MM over 5 years with about $12M guaranteed. I may be right but its just a guess. I didn't get that from anyone involved in the negotiations. So someone else does the same thing on one of these websites and Dez posts it and states it as if its solid reporting.
                                That's my point.
                                Well the other day I thought Dez was basically just stating the some of it had to be true but here nor there...I doubt he signs for anything less than 7 mil average and I'm torn on the years....In my thinking the G money needs to come off the front end of any deal...and that money plus base, Ideally is what you think "as the boss" your gonna get back in production barring anything catastrophic....the old honest days pay for an honest days work.. Fair consideration for the risks that playing football has to be built in to that price...so it comes down to this what is a slot receiver worth add in any extras Cruz may bring to the table make a fair offer..... I know I'm crazy but if I'm paying I need to get my moneys worth....Couple months ago I thought a 5mil might do it so much for that.....Do you really the there is any solid reporting left in any media....Its become a guessing game imho to much focus on drama and bull****
                                Last edited by byron; 04-16-2013, 11:57 PM.

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