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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    When you increase the cost of doing business (ie...mandating certain insurance requirements for your employees) you decrease competitiveness, decrease profitability and decrease productivity.This slows economic growth and reduces jobs. The do all that during slow economic times and multiply its adverse effect.Its Economics 101. Unless you think Adam Smith was a right wing kook.
    This bill will not decrease productivity or employment. A company with 60 employees will not fire 11 people to get under the 50. That would only hurt their productivity and profitability. There are a lot of good things in this bill. The only disappointing thing is that Obama didn't have the balls to stick to his guns and keep the public option in the bill.
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    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
      Don't try and appeal to Adam Smith when talking modern economics. Modern capitalism doesn't resemble Smithian capitalism at all (remember in pure capitalism profit is seen as a bad thing). Also, think about health care this way: If the poor had accessible health care, they wouldn't need to rely upon emergency health care as their primary source of health care. That in and of itself would drastically lower the cost of health care (including the cost to the public benefit). How would increasing access to affordable health care lower productivity? Wouldn't having a healthier workforce increase productivity? If it is possible for me to see a doctor at an affordable rate when I first start feeling sick and lose 4 hours of work, doesn't that beat having to wait until I am extremely sick and going to the emergency room and losing 3 days of work? Hmmm.... That looks like 4 hours of lost productivity (plus the lower cost of seeing a PCP) against 24 hours of lost productivity (plus the significantly higher cost of using emergent care services).
      Good points.
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      • This is good, I haven't been around in a while, so I am not biased by reading any previous posts that would give me everyone's clear position...everyone in this country will now have healthcare, including those of us that do not work. I must make the distinction here between those that are unable to work due to a legitimate disability(which is ok) and those who choose not to work so that they can bleed the system and support their belief of entitlement(this is not ok with me). IMO, the group that chooses not to work are the only reason that Obama is in office. Obama has been built on bull**** from the get go, Tell the masses of our country that do not work and receive services for doing nothing that they will be taken care of and receive healthcare if they vote for Obama. Hmmmmm, all of a sudden those masses who have never voted in their life are standing in line to get something for nothing as promised by Obama. It's a disgrace, this country was built on hard work and those who worked hard for themselves and their families and did the right thing all their life will now get screwed. Of course, that is my opinion.

        I have not read the entire bill. Please tell me if this is a valid concern? Once this get's rolling our medical system is going to be flooded with millions of people who have never had insurance before. Is a proportionate number of Hospital's, dr's, physicians assist, nurses, admin personnel, diagnostics, employees going to be added to the us health network? If not, how are the additional millions of patients going to receive medical care? How will it effect those with life threatening conditions that cannot wait weeks or months for an appointment, due to what I see as an inevitable back log with our doctors and hospitals?

        Is it true that preventative screenings are being eliminated from coverage? Mammograms, prostate exams, colonoscopies.

        Am I paranoid in thinking that Obama does not want the us population to live beyond 62 years old aided by early screening detection tests, so that he doesn't have to pay social security? I think I get it, one of those one way systems here........take our taxes and ss from our checks and then kill us off when it's time for the system to pay back.

        I hope I'm wrong and none of this will be an issue.

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        • Oh, ****! where have you been hiding, man??!
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          • Originally posted by lttaylor56 View Post
            This is good, I haven't been around in a while, so I am not biased by reading any previous posts that would give me everyone's clear position...everyone in this country will now have healthcare, including those of us that do not work. I must make the distinction here between those that are unable to work due to a legitimate disability(which is ok) and those who choose not to work so that they can bleed the system and support their belief of entitlement(this is not ok with me). IMO, the group that chooses not to work are the only reason that Obama is in office. Obama has been built on bull**** from the get go, Tell the masses of our country that do not work and receive services for doing nothing that they will be taken care of and receive healthcare if they vote for Obama. Hmmmmm, all of a sudden those masses who have never voted in their life are standing in line to get something for nothing as promised by Obama. It's a disgrace, this country was built on hard work and those who worked hard for themselves and their families and did the right thing all their life will now get screwed. Of course, that is my opinion.I have not read the entire bill. Please tell me if this is a valid concern? Once this get's rolling our medical system is going to be flooded with millions of people who have never had insurance before. Is a proportionate number of Hospital's, dr's, physicians assist, nurses, admin personnel, diagnostics, employees going to be added to the us health network? If not, how are the additional millions of patients going to receive medical care? How will it effect those with life threatening conditions that cannot wait weeks or months for an appointment, due to what I see as an inevitable back log with our doctors and hospitals? Is it true that preventative screenings are being eliminated from coverage? Mammograms, prostate exams, colonoscopies. Am I paranoid in thinking that Obama does not want the us population to live beyond 62 years old aided by early screening detection tests, so that he doesn't have to pay social security? I think I get it, one of those one way systems here........take our taxes and ss from our checks and then kill us off when it's time for the system to pay back. I hope I'm wrong and none of this will be an issue.
            Most of the people without coverage are being treated in emergency rooms anyway, so I don't think it puts a tremendous strain on the medical system. I haven't read the part about preventative tests if it's in there.I do think you're paranoid about killing us off at 62. If they would have left the money they withheld from people's paychecks in a lock box and not used it in the general budget SS and Medicare would not be an issue. Both political parties do this.
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            • JP!! How the hell are you buddy? You still at the CU?

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              • Originally posted by speedman View Post
                Most of the people without coverage are being treated in emergency rooms anyway, so I don't think it puts a tremendous strain on the medical system. I haven't read the part about preventative tests if it's in there.I do think you're paranoid about killing us off at 62. If they would have left the money they withheld from people's paychecks in a lock box and not used it in the general budget SS and Medicare would not be an issue. Both political parties do this.
                I don't know that to be a fact that all of the country's uninsured are receiving treatment in the er. Uninsured Emergency room treatments are entirely different from the type of care that insured people receive. I have yearly physicals and lab work, sometimes lab work 2x per year, diagnostic treatments range from catscans, mri's, xrays, stress tests, occasionally physical therapy.

                I am certain that the guy at the emergency room with no insurance is not being scheduled for costly testing like mri's. What insured people go to the ER anyway? Only in an emergency, otherwise, we schedule appointments with our Dr's. We PAY OUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS to have that option.

                The uninsured will now flood the patient health pool. There's a difference between going to the emergency room and all of a sudden showing up at MY Dr's office....so now we have to wait longer and we cannot get an emergency appointment for ourselves or our family.

                I gotta tell ya, if in 2014 I walk into my Dr's office and the waiting room is jam packed with non-English speaking patients, I'm gonna ****ing lose it!

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                • I'm a terrible citizen. I'm not even registered to vote. But maybe I'll do it when it's not the same puppet with a different face running for president year after year. And not the lesser of two evils.

                  So basically, I'm never going to vote.
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                  • Originally posted by lttaylor56 View Post
                    I don't know that to be a fact that all of the country's uninsured are receiving treatment in the er. Uninsured Emergency room treatments are entirely different from the type of care that insured people receive. I have yearly physicals and lab work, sometimes lab work 2x per year, diagnostic treatments range from catscans, mri's, xrays, stress tests, occasionally physical therapy.

                    I am certain that the guy at the emergency room with no insurance is not being scheduled for costly testing like mri's. What insured people go to the ER anyway? Only in an emergency, otherwise, we schedule appointments with our Dr's. We PAY OUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS to have that option.

                    The uninsured will now flood the patient health pool. There's a difference between going to the emergency room and all of a sudden showing up at MY Dr's office....so now we have to wait longer and we cannot get an emergency appointment for ourselves or our family.

                    I gotta tell ya, if in 2014 I walk into my Dr's office and the waiting room is jam packed with non-English speaking patients, I'm gonna ****ing lose it!
                    most private practices aren't going to take on more than they can handle...many will add a Doc or a practitioner....it should create jobs I would think..

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                    • Originally posted by speedman View Post
                      This bill will not decrease productivity or employment. A company with 60 employees will not fire 11 people to get under the 50. That would only hurt their productivity and profitability. There are a lot of good things in this bill. The only disappointing thing is that Obama didn't have the balls to stick to his guns and keep the public option in the bill.
                      It will increase costs. Making them less competitive. Less competitive companies make less money, hire fewer workers and struggle more to stay in business. Unfortunately, today's American companies are competing against other companies around the world. Most of whom exist with governments that aren't as hostile as ours is to our own businesses.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        It will increase costs. Making them less competitive. Less competitive companies make less money, hire fewer workers and struggle more to stay in business. Unfortunately, today's American companies are competing against other companies around the world. Most of whom exist with governments that aren't as hostile as ours is to our own businesses.
                        However, will the benefits of having a healthier and more productive workforce counter the additional costs? Healthier workforce means increase in productivity. Higher productivity means a higher return to the economy.

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                        • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                          However, will the benefits of having a healthier and more productive workforce counter the additional costs? Healthier workforce means increase in productivity. Higher productivity means a higher return to the economy.
                          I'm sorry...I just laughed so hard I got spit on the keyboard.....

                          Liberal bull**** at its best.
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            I'm sorry...I just laughed so hard I got spit on the keyboard.....

                            Liberal bull**** at its best.
                            How is it liberal bull****. Healthier people are more productive, no? Having a more productive workforce would produce higher returns for the employer, no?

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                            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              It will increase costs. Making them less competitive. Less competitive companies make less money, hire fewer workers and struggle more to stay in business. Unfortunately, today's American companies are competing against other companies around the world. Most of whom exist with governments that aren't as hostile as ours is to our own businesses.
                              You think our government is hostile to businesses letting them leave all that untaxed money offshore?
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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                I'm sorry...I just laughed so hard I got spit on the keyboard.....Liberal bull**** at its best.
                                You sound like you're in with the crazy extremists to the right which are just as crazy as the extremists to the left. Have you ever voted for a democrat or are you one of the ones that would vote for a dog just because he was a republican?
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