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  • Is Sitton + draft a better option than Norwell?

    I'm looking at Norwell and expecting to pay at least 12.5 mil per year. Yes, he is great and signing him long term is attractive. Sitton from the Bears is also a very good starter though and would probably be way cheaper because he is 32. From the point of view of managing the CAP, are we better off signing Sitton to a 3 year deal where we can cut him easily if we have to in the third year and draft a guard early since that is a strength of this draft? Then in year 2 of Sitton's deal, look for another high pick guard if we haven't found another guard with lower picks by then? The advantage would be that we would have big money (Sitton) + a rookie deal for a few years before we have to spend big money again on the rookie we draft this year. At that point, the guard position would still have one player on a rookie deal for another couple of years. Not sure which is better.

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    I was trying to see who may be a cheaper option and just took some notes (not sure if they'll come out looking clean below). Most of the notes are summaries of rotoworld/walterfootball.com. Sitton was one that stood out. He's older, and did miss a few games last year, but besides that has been very solid for years. He should have at least a couple years left, and may be the stop gap we need if Norwell is too expensive.

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    Tier Name Position Team Notes
    2 Chris Hubbard OT/OG Steelers Versatile, apparently can play all 5. Stepped in due to injury, had decent success.
    2 Cameron Flemming OT Patriots Young, stepped in due injury and offense didn't skip a beat. Could be a solid pickup long term.
    2 Nate Solder OT Patriots 30, injuries in the past but played through. Solid LT, but is he on decline due to injuries?
    1 Andrew Norwell OG Panthers Excels in both run and pass blocking. Young, best in the market.
    2 Josh Sitton OG Bears 32, but has a few years left. Above average for a decade.
    2 Matt Slauson OG/C Chargers 32, bicep injury last year but should have a couple years left. Versatile, relatively solid.
    2 Josh Kline OG Titans Solid pass blocker, could use work in run blocking. Expects a big contract
    2 Justin Pugh OG/OT Giants Solid pass blocker, could improve in run blocking. Injuries are a real concern.
    3 DJ Fluker OG Giants Mauler in the run game, struggles in pass protection. Solid depth if he contract is team friendly.
    NFL Draft (Realistic Hope):

    Rd 1
    Garrett Bolles - OT
    David Njoku - TE
    Zach Cunningham - OLB

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    • #3
      I don't know how Sittin played last year....but if he's still decent...certainly a potential option. Just be very short term

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Piddy283 View Post
        I was trying to see who may be a cheaper option and just took some notes (not sure if they'll come out looking clean below). Most of the notes are summaries of rotoworld/walterfootball.com. Sitton was one that stood out. He's older, and did miss a few games last year, but besides that has been very solid for years. He should have at least a couple years left, and may be the stop gap we need if Norwell is too expensive.

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        Tier Name Position Team Notes
        2 Chris Hubbard OT/OG Steelers Versatile, apparently can play all 5. Stepped in due to injury, had decent success.
        2 Cameron Flemming OT Patriots Young, stepped in due injury and offense didn't skip a beat. Could be a solid pickup long term.
        2 Nate Solder OT Patriots 30, injuries in the past but played through. Solid LT, but is he on decline due to injuries?
        1 Andrew Norwell OG Panthers Excels in both run and pass blocking. Young, best in the market.
        2 Josh Sitton OG Bears 32, but has a few years left. Above average for a decade.
        2 Matt Slauson OG/C Chargers 32, bicep injury last year but should have a couple years left. Versatile, relatively solid.
        2 Josh Kline OG Titans Solid pass blocker, could use work in run blocking. Expects a big contract
        2 Justin Pugh OG/OT Giants Solid pass blocker, could improve in run blocking. Injuries are a real concern.
        3 DJ Fluker OG Giants Mauler in the run game, struggles in pass protection. Solid depth if he contract is team friendly.
        If we trade back, going with Sitton and Fleming in FA and Will Hernandez and Conner Williams in the draft may cover our needs and not kill us CAP wise. Sitton and Hernandez are assumed starters in this scenario while Fleming, Williams and Flowers battle it out for LT, RT and swing man. If we could trade back and get Q. Nelson and Conner Williams, even better. Can we do this and still cover our LB, CB and DL depth needs though? Or is it a pipe dream to even think this can be done in one year?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bringsimmsback View Post

          If we trade back, going with Sitton and Fleming in FA and Will Hernandez and Conner Williams in the draft may cover our needs and not kill us CAP wise. Sitton and Hernandez are assumed starters in this scenario while Fleming, Williams and Flowers battle it out for LT, RT and swing man. If we could trade back and get Q. Nelson and Conner Williams, even better. Can we do this and still cover our LB, CB and DL depth needs though? Or is it a pipe dream to even think this can be done in one year?
          I posted this in another thread, but we can trade back in every round if we choose to do so. Folks will want to move up to the beginning of the rounds.

          We currently have 5 picks. We can easily turn that into 7-10. We know it won't work out like this, but let's say we trade back a couple times after round 1 and end up with 7 picks. In theory our draft could look something like this.....

          - Rounds 1-3: 2 OL and a stud RB
          - Rounds 4-7: #3 CB, another LB, a project FS/CB Hybrid, and a project DE for depth/rotation

          At #2, we have the potential to fill a lot of holes if we play our cards right. I think it's feasible.
          NFL Draft (Realistic Hope):

          Rd 1
          Garrett Bolles - OT
          David Njoku - TE
          Zach Cunningham - OLB

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          • #6
            If we trade down in the 1st round, Nelson will go to the team that traded up 1 pick above us. That is the intensity that teams want a top linesman. SF has already said they will outbid anyone for Norwell and they aren't the only team looking.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mercurio View Post
              If we trade down in the 1st round, Nelson will go to the team that traded up 1 pick above us. That is the intensity that teams want a top linesman. SF has already said they will outbid anyone for Norwell and they aren't the only team looking.
              At #2 it's gotta be Darnold (or our preferred QB) or Barkley. In my opinion, any other player at #2 is a complete misuse of the pick.
              NFL Draft (Realistic Hope):

              Rd 1
              Garrett Bolles - OT
              David Njoku - TE
              Zach Cunningham - OLB

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              • #8
                Barkley is going at 1. Darnold is a turnover champ. Oline is our biggest weakness and the hottest commodity on the market. If we had to pick a QB, Allen probably has the biggest upside. Accuracy is something they can work on. Don't really think any of them are 1st round quality.

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                • #9
                  I see no problem in taking the number two rated player at number two.
                  Coinsidently, that is the position of need.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mercurio View Post
                    If we trade down in the 1st round, Nelson will go to the team that traded up 1 pick above us. That is the intensity that teams want a top linesman. SF has already said they will outbid anyone for Norwell and they aren't the only team looking.
                    Who says something like that? Thatís the dumbest Iíve heard in awhile. Did SF say that out loud?? If so, I hope every NFL team drives up the price on that backward organization. Gonna go look that up right now. Hilarious!

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                    • #11
                      Well, looks like the Jags beat everyone to it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Giantslb66 View Post
                        Well, looks like the Jags beat everyone to it.
                        Tax free state with warm weather for home games and a nice payday.

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                        • #13
                          I'd go Sitton for 2yrs 10m, then get Fluker for 2yr 6M and draft a T early to start G later to compete for a job

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mercurio View Post
                            Barkley is going at 1. Darnold is a turnover champ. Oline is our biggest weakness and the hottest commodity on the market. If we had to pick a QB, Allen probably has the biggest upside. Accuracy is something they can work on. Don't really think any of them are 1st round quality.
                            Accuracy is not aomething they can really work on. A QB makes his money on accuracy, throwing into tight windows and ball placement. Darnolds turnivers are fixable. He has all the tools. It has to be Darnold, Mayfield or to a lesser extent Barkley at #2. Period.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by flimflam View Post

                              Accuracy is not aomething they can really work on. A QB makes his money on accuracy, throwing into tight windows and ball placement. Darnolds turnivers are fixable. He has all the tools. It has to be Darnold, Mayfield or to a lesser extent Barkley at #2. Period.
                              Josh Allenís accuracy is a bit over blown. So many factors come into play with that, drops, route running, pressure from the defense causing a bad throw or throw away etc.

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