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  • #16
    Originally posted by FBomb View Post
    lol.....we had one of the worst run blocking offensive lines in the NFL. Just stop.

    Jennings averaged 3.3 YPC last year and 4.4 the year before. You think the drop off was all him?

    When you take a way the few times either one of them broke a big play, those averages drop dramatically.
    Our oline was trash but there were plenty of RBs that could do great behind our oline, but they are all GREAT ones lol great RBs always dominate, the great ones can create on their own

    Jennings was absolute trash, unbelievably slow and constantly ran into an olinemans back when there was a hole open, he really offered nothing at all, Perkins even showed something behind this oline, though another thing that doesn't help either of them is the predictability of our TIMING with run calls, and even the draw ups to some extent.. in short..

    Oline sucks, play calling sucks, Jennings sucks.. all pretty much equally I'd say, but though having a good oline obviously helps with a run game, history shows that good RBs can produce behind bad ones, it's one of the rare and more surprising positions you can say that about but sometimes all they need to do is break one tackle and they're home free, AP or Lacy would be a great addition especially to compliment Perkins
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Eliordie View Post
      Our oline was trash but there were plenty of RBs that could do great behind our oline, but they are all GREAT ones lol great RBs always dominate, the great ones can create on their own

      Jennings was absolute trash, unbelievably slow and constantly ran into an olinemans back when there was a hole open, he really offered nothing at all, Perkins even showed something behind this oline, though another thing that doesn't help either of them is the predictability of our TIMING with run calls, and even the draw ups to some extent.. in short..

      Oline sucks, play calling sucks, Jennings sucks.. all pretty much equally I'd say, but though having a good oline obviously helps with a run game, history shows that good RBs can produce behind bad ones, it's one of the rare and more surprising positions you can say that about but sometimes all they need to do is break one tackle and they're home free, AP or Lacy would be a great addition especially to compliment Perkins
      I disagree about RB's being able to do well behind THIS line. Far to many times this line allowed runs of negative yards.

      I can see the argument that our pass blocking was better than some teams, but our run blocking was just abysmal.
      Last edited by FBomb; 03-12-2017, 06:07 PM.
      I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by FBomb View Post
        That wasn't your original point that I responded to. I'm not sold that ANY RB can do well behind our O-line.
        Well were kinda saying the same thing. I do not think anyone could do well including AP or Lacy.. You would have to spend quite a big of Cap Space and Juggle like you said to make it work to get one of them in here. And for what?? To put them behind that same dumpster fire of a line would be a waste.. So my take is to spend what money they free up to try and shore up the line and then go get a Back in the Draft or later in the off season there may still be some Vets out there that get Cut that can work better then Jennings did
        Football has been very, very good to us.
        After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
        But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

        # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

        1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
        2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
        3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
        4-New York Giants!!!
        5-NE
        Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

        ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JameyC View Post
          stop with the ****ing OL crap already,,,this is a fan issue not a team issue. its been beat to death.
          ITs been beat to death because the Giants have not addressed the team issue.. If the giants as a Franchise think they do not have a problem at this position then we as fans can expect another long season of them not being able to score any points.
          Football has been very, very good to us.
          After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
          But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

          # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

          1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
          2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
          3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
          4-New York Giants!!!
          5-NE
          Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

          ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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          • #20
            Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
            Well were kinda saying the same thing. I do not think anyone could do well including AP or Lacy.. You would have to spend quite a big of Cap Space and Juggle like you said to make it work to get one of them in here. And for what?? To put them behind that same dumpster fire of a line would be a waste.. So my take is to spend what money they free up to try and shore up the line and then go get a Back in the Draft or later in the off season there may still be some Vets out there that get Cut that can work better then Jennings did
            In the end we are saying the same thing. Your OP wasn't as specific as this. I thought you were just saying we are in cap hell already,
            I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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            • #21
              i think the Giants will target another RB in the draft. I'm not sure grabbing an old vet RB is the move Reese would make esp after just having Jennings over 30 plodding along through the season lol.

              Im kind of expecting a rb somewhere in the first 4 rounds of this draft. Pair them up with Perkins. Perkins Rook Vereen Darkwa

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              • #22
                Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                I disagree about RB's being able to do well behind THIS line. Far to many times this line allowed runs of negative yards.

                I can see the argument that our pass blocking was better than some teams, but our run blocking was just abysmal.
                i mean im not arguing that the OL was a good blocking team at all last year, but you cant deny Perkins didnt look terrible running the ball and Jennings most certainly did.

                and while i agree the Giants definitely need to upgrade the OL further now and for the future, i think it's fair to say that their additions of Fluker and Ellison (and hopefully/maybe more) are ones in which the Giants can improve the offense.

                Ellison being an HB enables the Giants to line up in more formations such as the 12 or 21 formations with a FB or 2 TEs instead of always running the 11 formation out of the shotgun like the Giants did 90% of the time last year. That alone should help not make the Giants so predictable. Fluker at RG is a better run blocker than John Jerry was. He may not be the best against the pass, but he can maul in the running game.

                If the Giants can run the ball better with the help of Fluker and Ellison, they can then in turn hopefully keep the defense on their toes. Teams are already terrified of Odell. Add into that Bmarsh and his skill set and reputation and year older Sterling Shepard. If the Giants can take advantage of teams sitting back with 2 deep by running the ball, unlike they could last year, then the offense as a whole may open up.

                This is obviously just what im thinking and hoping happens. But i think the Giants moves so far have indicated that they want to be able to run the ball better. And if they can, the offense will look a lot better than last year.

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                • #23
                  why in the world would anyone want Lacy? he's fat and doesn't fit our style at all. we don't open up huge holes for anyone and he's not exactly the most elusive RB.

                  Perkins is fine as the starting RB. We have Darkwa who can bang inside and Vereen to do his passing downs thing. Sign a vet for small money and we're fine. RBs are a dime a dozen. I don't even wanna spend a draft pick on one. Rhett Ellison can even fill in there.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by gibril28wilson View Post
                    i mean im not arguing that the OL was a good blocking team at all last year, but you cant deny Perkins didnt look terrible running the ball and Jennings most certainly did.

                    and while i agree the Giants definitely need to upgrade the OL further now and for the future, i think it's fair to say that their additions of Fluker and Ellison (and hopefully/maybe more) are ones in which the Giants can improve the offense.

                    Ellison being an HB enables the Giants to line up in more formations such as the 12 or 21 formations with a FB or 2 TEs instead of always running the 11 formation out of the shotgun like the Giants did 90% of the time last year. That alone should help not make the Giants so predictable. Fluker at RG is a better run blocker than John Jerry was. He may not be the best against the pass, but he can maul in the running game.

                    If the Giants can run the ball better with the help of Fluker and Ellison, they can then in turn hopefully keep the defense on their toes. Teams are already terrified of Odell. Add into that Bmarsh and his skill set and reputation and year older Sterling Shepard. If the Giants can take advantage of teams sitting back with 2 deep by running the ball, unlike they could last year, then the offense as a whole may open up.

                    This is obviously just what im thinking and hoping happens. But i think the Giants moves so far have indicated that they want to be able to run the ball better. And if they can, the offense will look a lot better than last year.
                    There were many times the line made Perkins "look terrible".

                    I think Perkins could be a GREAT Tiki-like back.....and the Giants have no doubt made moves to make the run blocking better. Which goes to the point that the run blocking was abysmal and that I do not agree that a "better" back would have automatically done better.

                    I'd like to see them bring in a Jacobs-like back too. A big bruising freight train.
                    I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Yo Alb View Post
                      why in the world would anyone want Lacy? he's fat and doesn't fit our style at all. we don't open up huge holes for anyone and he's not exactly the most elusive RB.

                      Perkins is fine as the starting RB. We have Darkwa who can bang inside and Vereen to do his passing downs thing. Sign a vet for small money and we're fine. RBs are a dime a dozen. I don't even wanna spend a draft pick on one. Rhett Ellison can even fill in there.
                      Actually, Lacy lost weight and was having a good year until he got hurt.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                        With what Money??
                        Hey, Eli, you like RBs?

                        Count me in for wanting Peterson. He still has legs.
                        WE ALREADY HAVE A GREAT RUNNING BACK:

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SG88 View Post
                          Actually, Lacy lost weight and was having a good year until he got hurt.
                          +1 whatever team gets lacy is going to be pretty happy...if he can stay healthy. That's why I think he would be a perfect fit for the giants. Him and Perkins splitting the carrys

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                            There were many times the line made Perkins "look terrible".

                            I think Perkins could be a GREAT Tiki-like back.....and the Giants have no doubt made moves to make the run blocking better. Which goes to the point that the run blocking was abysmal and that I do not agree that a "better" back would have automatically done better.

                            I'd like to see them bring in a Jacobs-like back too. A big bruising freight train.
                            No GOOD running back is gonna average 3.3 yards a carry under any circumstance, our run blocking was **** bit when there was a hole Jennings didn't run through, sometimes because he didn't see it, sometimes because he was to slow to get there in time, can't have a running back that slow and doesn't break any tackles or make anybody miss, hell he couldn't even push for a yard, calling him worthless would be a compliment

                            Perkins made it through those holes with his speed and short area quickness, I'm not even a huge Perkins fan but he showed that he's 10x the back that Jennings is with the same line
                            If you've never played your opinion is invalid

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                            • #29
                              any chance Ellison is here to recruit AP? lol

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SG88 View Post
                                Actually, Lacy lost weight and was having a good year until he got hurt.
                                And I would argue that he does fit what we do well. He's had success running out of shot gun.

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