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  • #46
    didn't we win a super bowl with Jared Lorenzen as our back up? How is Geno any worse?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      The Jets made a huge mistake last year in re-signing Fitz. Fitz did not want to play and they threw a crapload of money at him in an act of desperation.
      They should have moved on with Geno. When they finally started him later in the season he was playing well until he tore up his knee. Bad luck.

      I don't get the Geno hate as our back up QB. He has some game and has NFL experience. he went 8-8 in his rookie year and then played well on a bad team in 2014.
      He's a good choice if he ends up as our back up.

      Maybe folks hate him because they have been making fun of him for so long as a Jet.
      Guilty as charged. I remember when he was drafted he was a bit of an attitude problem. Then, as the story goes, a much lower paid Jet bought an airline ticket for Geno for a Fundraiser cause. If I remember right, he no showed, embarrassing the LB and then stiffed him on the airline ticket. "Giant Character guy"? Then when I did see him play he was a turnover factory. I'm going to try to leave this in the past as I'm sure he will beat out Josh Johnson and be the backup. I hope he doesn't see the field but if he does I will pull for him.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
        no back up is going to come in and run the full offense ... they won't even run half of the offense ... especially a guy who just got here

        if Eli goes down the season is a wrap

        sorry my friend but those are the facts

        if there was a backup who had been here a few season and could comprehend at least half of the offense maybe they could attempt to make this thing go

        but any back up that comes in this season is basically simply filling a roster spot ...
        Well a QB going down for the year is one thing. If Eli goes down for a few games I think a back up who's won games in this league with a lesser team should be able to come in and keep us competing until the starter gets back on the field.
        I see no reason Geno Smith can't do that.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          Well a QB going down for the year is one thing. If Eli goes down for a few games I think a back up who's won games in this league with a lesser team should be able to come in and keep us competing until the starter gets back on the field.
          I see no reason Geno Smith can't do that.
          hence why one of the very first things I said in this thread is that I think he is the best back up in the league

          but if this O line gets Elis 36 year old body hit often enough and his season ends this teams season ends ... it really is as simple as that

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          • #50
            while I wouldn't like Geno as our starter, he may be the perfect backup behind Eli. He has a good arm, good athletic ability, and has won games in this league. Let him and Josh Johnson battle it out in camp and may the best man win.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
              hence why one of the very first things I said in this thread is that I think he is the best back up in the league

              but if this O line gets Elis 36 year old body hit often enough and his season ends this teams season ends ... it really is as simple as that
              It's "probably" over. I can see guys stepping up.
              In that case.....hope would spring eternal.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • #52
                I like the geno choice. As someone one said if Eli goes down for a few games geno has enough experience to
                run some of this offense and with a very good D he can win a few games.

                There are very few teams that can plug in their back-up QB and win it all.
                Jeff Hostetler was an exception to the rule and its was not a full season I believe Sims went
                down in the 13 th or 14th game of the season.

                Geno has potential. Remember he was on the Jets!! : )
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by brad View Post
                  I don't think Geno's salary would have gotten us a good LT...
                  So it comes down to Eli's salary.

                  Without taking into consideration that there are no good LTs available, let's say Eli was making half as much, he's only counting about 11 mil against the cap.

                  That wouldn't have been enough to get a 36 year old LT. So your point is invalid.

                  Let's say eli isnt on the team and we sign an LT like okung to the same deal he got.

                  Do you feel comfortable with handing Geno the keys? Or Nassib?

                  You're saying that since we won 11 games because of the defense then we could have replaced Eli and still won because of the defense.


                  One, we don't know this, the offense would have been worse. We would have lost some of our close games where we came back to win. Other than Brady I don't see any other qb that can release the ball in 2.3 seconds and be as successful.

                  Having a mobile qb to extend plays isn't a guarantee for success either.

                  Russell Wilson has a similar oline and had a worse season. So it is doubtful we would have won 11 games with just anyone.


                  Now that we finally have some weapons on offense I would rather we trot out Eli who knows the system, has won in the past instead of just having unused cap space and a scrub behind center.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DarkSaint View Post
                    So it comes down to Eli's salary.

                    Without taking into consideration that there are no good LTs available, let's say Eli was making half as much, he's only counting about 11 mil against the cap.

                    That wouldn't have been enough to get a 36 year old LT. So your point is invalid.
                    You took a lot of liberties with what I said... wow! I don't believe I mentioned Eli's salary once.... we are talking about a backup QB, and if we could have gotten a decent LT at the salary of Gino. Please refer to the title of the thread to clear up any confusion. As you correctly stated, there wasn't really any LTs available, and they were all over-priced. Clearly we agree on this, since what you quoted me saying was exactly that, although by your logic, because you agree with me, my point is invalid.

                    Originally posted by DarkSaint View Post

                    Let's say eli isnt on the team and we sign an LT like okung to the same deal he got.

                    Do you feel comfortable with handing Geno the keys? Or Nassib?
                    Please point to any post that I have ever made in ANY thread suggesting Geno or Nassib could or should be the starter for the Giants over Eli. Once again, extreme liberties with what I actually stated.

                    I feel quite comfortable handing the keys to Geno for a few games and feel the team could win some of those games because of the defense. Let's hope we don't have to find out....

                    Originally posted by DarkSaint View Post
                    You're saying that since we won 11 games because of the defense then we could have replaced Eli and still won because of the defense.

                    One, we don't know this, the offense would have been worse. We would have lost some of our close games where we came back to win. Other than Brady I don't see any other qb that can release the ball in 2.3 seconds and be as successful.
                    I am saying that is what happened last year... and that numbers prove that. There were only 6 offenses in the NFL worse at putting up points last year. Take that however you want, but the offense didn't have a whole lot of impact on the games won.

                    The second part of the last portion I quoted just proves what I said in a previous post. You are correct, NO QB could have flourished under the conditions that Eli faced at times. That being a point we agree on, and the fact that the Giants offense ranked among the worst in the NFL... the offense performed exactly as one would expect, regardless of who was at QB. It wouldn't have been much better with Brady, and clearly couldn't be a whole lot worse with just about any other QB starting in the league.


                    Originally posted by DarkSaint View Post
                    Having a mobile qb to extend plays isn't a guarantee for success either.
                    I never mentioned a mobile QB


                    Originally posted by DarkSaint View Post
                    Russell Wilson has a similar oline and had a worse season. So it is doubtful we would have won 11 games with just anyone.
                    Seattle scored 22.1 points a game, the Giants scored 19.4.


                    Originally posted by DarkSaint View Post
                    Now that we finally have some weapons on offense I would rather we trot out Eli who knows the system, has won in the past instead of just having unused cap space and a scrub behind center.
                    So it seems your entire argument against me is that you think I suggested replacing Eli with someone else. Let me put your mind at ease, that is not what I suggested. What I did suggest was that the offensive production can't really drop a whole lot more, so if Gino had to come in for a few games, the defense would likely be able to carry the team for a few games and keep them in the hunt until Eli returns.

                    To summarize, since you seem really confused by my simple statement...

                    Gino isn't replacing Eli
                    There was no good LTs in FA that they could realistically sign
                    The offense was really bad last year
                    The offense isn't likely to get better unless the O-line surprises us
                    The defense appears to be poised to carry the team again
                    The offense would still suck with Gino or any other QB behind center
                    My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dave Brown View Post
                      Sure I do. And he's had an excellent career and is an all time great in the organization. Not trying to get into some broad Eli debate. But there is no way any knowledgeable, objective football fan would ever argue he played well last year. I get that he was playing behind a crappy line and had no run game, but that doesn't mean he played well in spite of that.

                      Saying Eli didn't play well last year isn't being a hater. It's just being factually accurate. The Giants went 11-5 because of an excellent defense and Beckham's big play ability. Eli was not driving those wins.

                      I wonder about the relevance of the initial statement and subsequent defense of it since what you're saying is true for so few QBs in the league.

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                      • #56
                        wasn't the Geno singing supposed to be announced today? might he have failed his physical?
                        Last edited by Donnie Yen; 03-20-2017, 02:36 PM.

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