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  • Saw this on another forum pretty damning

    We all know Lebron left Cleveland to get more scoring help so he doesn't have to should the whole load, and until this postseason he has.

    But Lebron's two partners have scored less than his two back in the year he left Cleveland(2010)

    Playoff stats(2010 and 2013):
    Mo Williams: 14.4 ppg
    Dwyane Wade: 13.6 ppg

    Antwawn Jamison: 15.3 ppg
    Chris Bosh: 12.5 ppg

    Obviously these don't tell a complete story, but pretty mindblowing

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    • should have come to NY ya bish lebron. that 3 max plan was doomed from the beginning. if the heat lose you can guarantee they blow it up in the offseason. one of wade/bosh will get shipped out if not both.

      gotta give the pacers credit though. paul george and hibbert are gonna terrorize the east for years to come.

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      • Originally posted by TrueBlue@NYC View Post
        IDK what you're talking about with this offense not using the pick-n-roll, that makes up a TON of our offensive sets. Amare is actually a much more effective pick n roll player than Chandler because he does have the ability to hit the jump shot. Also don't know where you're getting the "Amare's jump shot has fallen off" bit either, his J was very consistent the time he played.

        The fact is that this team went small all year and it worked during the regular season, but much like what sometimes happens in football, IND is just a bad match-up for a team that plays small ball. Just look at how well they're playing against the heat, also a small ball team. They cause these smaller teams fits because the wing players they have in George, Stephenson and Young are all very long and athletic enough to cause fits for smaller players. Getting Barg would not solve that match-up problem, but would exacerbate our rebounding and defense problems even more.
        We barley ever run pick and rolls, even when Amares on the court, since Melo got here. Ya, occasionaly we do , but its not a big part of our offense. Were a 3pt shooting team, and in the postseason, we were a halfcourt one on one team. Amares getting less and less explosive , and the more time he misses, the less accurate his jumper has become, and i doubt he's gonna get it back(explosion at least). He could be like Antonio McDyess, and simply be a decent role player, as the knee injuries took away his explosion, but Bargniai is younger, and has a better chance of regaining his touch then amare does his explosion. Amares not even a good rebounder anyways. Whats the diffrence between the 2, 1rpg or something?

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        • Check out Tony Mitchell PF North Texas. The guy can offensive rebound, shoot outside shots(streaky), has big upside , can leap outta the building..etc Shump and Mitchell would be a exciting duo to have on the same team. Mitchells 235lbs at 6ft 9inch. He's a athletic load.

          I could see the knicks showing interest in Tony Mitchell.. He'd be a great rotation guy, with a chance to potentially start if he fulfills his upside.
          Last edited by nycsportzfan; 06-03-2013, 12:49 AM.

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          • Jason Kidd has retired from the NBA.
            Kidd's retirement doesn't come as a huge surprise after he said recently he was on the fence about returning, and after the up-and-down season he had with the Knicks, Kidd has decided to walk away. He'll finish his career as one of the best point guards to ever play the game, and the Knicks will enter the offseason shopping in the point guard market.
            Source: Ian Begley on Twitter

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            • Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
              All-time great player, it was nice having him on the team. How much does this help the knicks cap-wise in picking up another player?
              All Hail The New York Giants!!

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              • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                We barley ever run pick and rolls, even when Amares on the court, since Melo got here. Ya, occasionaly we do , but its not a big part of our offense. Were a 3pt shooting team, and in the postseason, we were a halfcourt one on one team. Amares getting less and less explosive , and the more time he misses, the less accurate his jumper has become, and i doubt he's gonna get it back(explosion at least). He could be like Antonio McDyess, and simply be a decent role player, as the knee injuries took away his explosion, but Bargniai is younger, and has a better chance of regaining his touch then amare does his explosion. Amares not even a good rebounder anyways. Whats the diffrence between the 2, 1rpg or something?
                Barely ever run pick n rolls?! This team runs it incessantly, especially when Felton's on the court. All those lob dunks w/chandler came from that play. Knicks ran the pick n roll more than almost any other team in the league.
                All Hail The New York Giants!!

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                • yea, not sure where NYC came up with the idea that we don't run pick n roll. that's pretty much all we run is pick n roll and iso melo or iso JR.


                  too bad kidd didn't go out in a blaze of glory. he had some great moments and nice streaks here and there throughout the season which is still impressive when you consider he's 40. arguably the best pg of this era (sorry nash, kidd plays defense)

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                  • Originally posted by TrueBlue@NYC View Post
                    Barely ever run pick n rolls?! This team runs it incessantly, especially when Felton's on the court. All those lob dunks w/chandler came from that play. Knicks ran the pick n roll more than almost any other team in the league.
                    Go watch the entire postseason, and tell me how much pick and roll we ran? Go look at Tyson Chandler, Amare, Kenyon, and any of the other bigs totals, and tell me where the pick and roll was used, please.

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                    • I'm not saying we haven't been more of a pick and roll team. But we sure weren't running much pick and roll most of the postseason.. And even much of the regular season. We run alittle for Tyson Chandler, but Amares pretty much always been hurt, and we've shot like a record amount of 3's, and add in god knows how many Iso's, and how many possesions do you guys think were getting?

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                      • Now a guy like Shane Larkin is even more a good idea with Kidd gone and Prig probably gone.

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                        • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                          Now a guy like Shane Larkin is even more a good idea with Kidd gone and Prig probably gone.
                          big time..

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                          • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            Now a guy like Shane Larkin is even more a good idea with Kidd gone and Prig probably gone.
                            Said he won't work out for Knicks.
                            Mood: WOOF!

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                            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                              Said he won't work out for Knicks.
                              well then poo poo him..

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                              • [QUOTE=nycsportzfan;777501]Go watch the entire postseason, and tell me how much pick and roll we ran? Go look at Tyson Chandler, Amare, Kenyon, and any of the other bigs totals, and tell me where the pick and roll was used, please.[/QUOTE

                                I watched every game in the postseason, and yes, we still ran a ton of pick n roll. It just wasn't as successful against IND. They backed off felton when he ran it and dared him to shoot the mid-range jumper or try a tear down, and he couldn't make them pay, hence his 0-7 shooting game 6. They also ran it with Prigs until they figured out that he was NEVER gong to take it to the rim. Just guard the pass because you know he wont shoot.

                                Melo was actually our most effective pick n roll player against the pacers because they actually had to play up on him.
                                All Hail The New York Giants!!

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