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  • exactly redeye. that first isn't gonna be good. value wise bargs is worth more than a pick in the 20s plus we dumped novak's bad contract and camby who is likely to never play.

    i like the deal because it sets the knicks up better to rebuild around melo in free agency (or even without melo possibly) in 2015. there are a lot of good free agents that year too.

    i don't like bargs' game that much as a player but he's certainly a huge improvement over novak/camby.

    when we first discussed this deal it was swapping amare for bargs and fields, which would gave been a worse trade imo.

    it's a huge if, but if amare can stay healthy in limited minutes the knicks have the potential to be a legit contender.... on the flipside if amare and bargs are hurt going into the playoffs we're gonna be in some trouble.

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    • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
      Pierce is a first ballot HOF player that has been killing the knicks since he joined the league. Just because your a knicks fan, dosen't mean you have to not give credit to a player you dislike. The postseason isn't the only time you can kill a team, dude.
      he's also 35 and on a rapid decline in both performance and health. i'm not worried about pierce at all. he'll be an overpaid spot up shooter for the nets.

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      • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
        The 1st round pick was already owned by Denver to swap so even if the Knicks were bad the Nuggets were getting it. The OKC pick wont be higher then 55 which is basically a FA. I dont understand why they had to send another 2nd though. Raptors werent doing that deal if we dont give picks. Why would the Raptors take more years back on Novak and Camby will retire
        Fair enough...I don't know why they would either. I'm starting to like the trade a little more cause he's better then Amare. We have Chandler for defensive purposes, but we still need a rebounder.
        sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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        • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
          Fair enough...I don't know why they would either. I'm starting to like the trade a little more cause he's better then Amare. We have Chandler for defensive purposes, but we still need a rebounder.
          He's not a great rebounder. Career avg is 4.
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • career average is 4.8

            anyways it's amazing how many people are hating on this trade as if we just gave up a lottery pick and shump or something lol

            bargs being at the 4 puts melo back at the 3 which should help the rebounding by default.

            don't forget they're not done yet. they still have the mmle to use while potentially bringing back JR/cope/pablo/kmart

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            • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
              career average is 4.8

              anyways it's amazing how many people are hating on this trade as if we just gave up a lottery pick and shump or something lol

              bargs being at the 4 puts melo back at the 3 which should help the rebounding by default.

              don't forget they're not done yet. they still have the mmle to use while potentially bringing back JR/cope/pablo/kmart
              The guy plays on the perimeter a lot thats part of the reason for the low rebounding totals.
              I think the Knicks must keep Copeland. He is a very important piece because he compliments Carmelo Anthony very well. Copeland would make the perfect back up Stretch 4 for Bargs and could play minutes at the 3 as well. With Bargs having an extensive injury history having another Stretch 4 is imperative.

              Chandler
              Amare
              Jordan
              Bargs
              Copeland
              Melo
              Shumpert
              JR Smith
              Hardaway
              Felton
              Leslie


              Chandler Amare Copeland Jordan

              Bargs Copeland Amare Leslie

              Melo JR Shump Copeland Leslie

              Shump JR Hardaway

              Felton


              JR plays the same role as Melo on offense when Melo goes to the bench as the primary ball hog
              Last edited by Redeyejedi; 07-02-2013, 09:17 AM.

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              • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                exactly redeye. that first isn't gonna be good. value wise bargs is worth more than a pick in the 20s plus we dumped novak's bad contract and camby who is likely to never play.

                i like the deal because it sets the knicks up better to rebuild around melo in free agency (or even without melo possibly) in 2015. there are a lot of good free agents that year too.

                i don't like bargs' game that much as a player but he's certainly a huge improvement over novak/camby.

                when we first discussed this deal it was swapping amare for bargs and fields, which would gave been a worse trade imo.

                it's a huge if, but if amare can stay healthy in limited minutes the knicks have the potential to be a legit contender.... on the flipside if amare and bargs are hurt going into the playoffs we're gonna be in some trouble.

                The reason I was for the trade was to make the roster more fluid. I thought the biggest hole on this roster was having a stretch 4 or a 6'8"+ SF. Complimenting Melo up front to me was the hardest thing to do but also the key to the whole Offense. The reason why I wanted to trade Amare even though he is better is because he doesnt fit the roster. He isnt a stretch 4 and he cant defend the 5 making hi the square peg in the round hole. If u look how I set up the rotations the 4's on this team assuming u keep Copeland can all do the same type of things.So u either pull Melo off the floor and change the style of play for 10 minutes a game which I dont like or u play him as a back up 5. So u give him 15 minutes on the floor at Center and hope he scores more then he gives up. Having someone that can score inside is nice but to me a younger Center that rebounds and blocks shots would be a better player to give minutes to
                Last edited by Redeyejedi; 07-02-2013, 09:23 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
                  Please don't tell me your a Nets fan.
                  Nah, I don't really follow basketball anymore. But I find Knick fans pretty annoying. Very similar to Ranger fans - a sense of self entitlement without winning anything.
                  http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                  http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                  http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                  Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                  • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                    Nah, I don't really follow basketball anymore. But I find Knick fans pretty annoying. Very similar to Ranger fans - a sense of self entitlement without winning anything.
                    Yeah a lot of us Knicks fans are like that,but we should be it's the Mecca of basketball.
                    sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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                    • i read the knicks made an offer to elton brand and the interest is mutual. i hope it's for vet min but not sure. i'm still hopeful we can bring back JR/pablo/cope but i think some teams will throw decent money at cope and pablo might go back overseas. who knows about JR.

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                      • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                        exactly redeye. that first isn't gonna be good. value wise bargs is worth more than a pick in the 20s plus we dumped novak's bad contract and camby who is likely to never play.

                        i like the deal because it sets the knicks up better to rebuild around melo in free agency (or even without melo possibly) in 2015. there are a lot of good free agents that year too.

                        i don't like bargs' game that much as a player but he's certainly a huge improvement over novak/camby.

                        when we first discussed this deal it was swapping amare for bargs and fields, which would gave been a worse trade imo.

                        it's a huge if, but if amare can stay healthy in limited minutes the knicks have the potential to be a legit contender.... on the flipside if amare and bargs are hurt going into the playoffs we're gonna be in some trouble.
                        Pretty much exactly what I said. If Bargs dosen't work out, then you lose him, melo, and Stat, right around the same time, so you can build through FA'cy with a chance to have 2young pieces in Hardaway and Shump all ready in place. Its a good deal, because of what Bargs can be. Obviously , alot of pressure is off of him in NY, with Stat and Melo all ready in place, he can just play his game. Also, you know hes motivated to show the world hes better then advertised.

                        I think the deal was great, and Novak and Camby are nothing at this point. We all ready got Novak's career yr, and the NBA learned how to defend him, nad you cant cry about 2nd rd picks, and one first rder in the 20's isn't nothing. If the knicks really want a 2nd rd pick, they can figure out how to buy there way in or whatever.

                        We need length and offensive firepower, and guys who can compliment Melo, and thats exactly what Bargs and Hardaway Jr can do. Again, a fantastic move! Even if they both get hurt, so what? Novak and Camby weren't gonna be any better if Stat got hurt and we didn't have Bargs. The bottom line is the risk was well worth the reward.

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                        • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                          i read the knicks made an offer to elton brand and the interest is mutual. i hope it's for vet min but not sure. i'm still hopeful we can bring back JR/pablo/cope but i think some teams will throw decent money at cope and pablo might go back overseas. who knows about JR.
                          Thats so funny because when I was looking through FA's about a wk or 2 ago, Elton Brand peeked my interest. A cheap vet who can bang down low and has alittle scoring ability.

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                          • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
                            Fair enough...I don't know why they would either. I'm starting to like the trade a little more cause he's better then Amare. We have Chandler for defensive purposes, but we still need a rebounder.
                            And hence there looking at Elton Brand. At 6ft 9in 254lbs, hes a load down low and avg'd over 6bounds per game in 21min and 9.1 in his career.

                            Chandler
                            Bargniani
                            Melo
                            Shump
                            Felton

                            Brand
                            Stat
                            Hardaway Jr
                            Dev Harris/Watson/Bynum(whoever they pickup)
                            Jr Smith
                            Cope( i think he and prig are gone).

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                            • Also, nate robinson and matt barnes might be in the fold. Kenyon Martin might be odd man out if Elton Brand, and one of Nate, Barnes, Cope, Prig, or Dev Harris come along. If Prig goes to spain, i'm really hoping for Devin Harris.

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                              • Would you guys rather keep Kenyon or sign Matt Barnes? Barnes has alittle more range, but Martin is alittle bigger i believe. Both are hustle players who play with a chip on there shoulders.

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