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  • people don't want artest? lol dude can still play. for the vet min he is excellent value. he can play the 3 or the 4 and would provide some scrapyness and toughness that this team needs. i would love if we were able to pick him up.

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    • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
      people don't want artest? lol dude can still play. for the vet min he is excellent value. he can play the 3 or the 4 and would provide some scrapyness and toughness that this team needs. i would love if we were able to pick him up.
      Artest playing the 4 would make us ridiculously small, he's only 6'7'' and he's not exactly a big rebounder. Unless he's taking Leslie's spot, since he would fill a similar role, then he's basically taking a spot from the front course or PG player that the teams needs.

      Honestly, the team he makes the most sense for is the Nets. They need a wing defender off the bench to replace what Boguns and Wallace gave them.
      All Hail The New York Giants!!

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      • artest is strong as a bull and him at the 4 (or 3 with melo at the 4) is still a bigger lineup than what we used last year. bargs and stat have both missed a ton of games the past 2 years. adding a scrappy vet that can defend and shoot the 3 at a decent clip for the vet min is a good signing no matter how you look at it.

        right now the team still needs to add a sf, a hole artest would fill nicely. then resign kmart or add another big and another pg.

        ideally the knicks pick up artest, resign kmart, sign a legit center and add a 3rd string pg.

        i was hoping to get someone like delfino or barnes for cheap, but they got signed already to fairly big deals.

        as a knick fan you should know we need the type of toughness a player like artest provides.

        felton / pablo / brooks? telfair?
        shump / jr / hardaway
        melo / artest / leslie
        bargs / stat
        chandler / kmart

        right now the knicks only have 10 players under contract which means space for 5 more.

        artest, pg, big, big. = 14 players, still another spot for a 15th man.
        Last edited by kNicksGiants; 07-10-2013, 10:49 PM.

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        • I would be happy with Artest dont think he has much left but for the min we wont do better. We still have roster spots to fill.

          I really love the CAVS roster I would trade teams with them today. They have all those young players and cap space coming. They wont be able to attract top tier FA's besides the greatest of them all Lebron "Because he lives there" but if we had that team in NY we would be set. If Bynum is healthy " big If " they may finish ahead of us.
          That Bynum signing was well worth the risk. If he plays well they have a playoff team if not u keep your cap flexibility with the team option. If he plays really well they can even trade him for draft picks and an expiring at the deadline

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          • Originally posted by TrueBlue@NYC View Post
            God please no, he's a quack and isn't even that great of a defender anymore. Besides, between Melo, Bargs and JR where is he finding minutes at the 3?

            Knicks need to get either Brand or KMart, a young, quick, defensive PG, and a legit back-up Center (maybe dalember of return of Mozgov?).

            That pretty much fills the roster.

            In the end, the only chance the Knicks have of being a contending team is if somehow Stat returns to being a great player.
            Brand isnt playing for the Knicks they ship sailed with the Prigs signing.
            Even if Stat is healthy this is not a contending team in my eyes. i think they win 45-48 games and finish with the 4-5 seed. They play the Bulls or Nets in the 1st round and lose. Depends how hard the Nets push in the regular season. If the Nets push to win the Atlantic they win it by 5 games at least if they are smart and keep minute totals down for the playoffs the Knicks could still win it. The Knicks played out of their minds for 2 stretches of games last season and outside of that were fairly average

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            • knicks were average last year for stretches due to injuries. mainly to melo who when he's healthy can win games by himself.

              no way in hell do the cavs have a chance of finishing ahead of us either. their roster is filled with injury prone players.

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              • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                ron artest is likely to be amnestied by the lakers and he wants to play for the knicks. the problem is someone under the cap might claim him. he has said he would retire if a bad team claims him so that may scare teams off.

                adding artest for the vet min would be excellent.
                I agree. A nice role player that as you said, can add toughness, and a sold all around game. I mean, you add Artest to Shump, Smith, Melo, Stat, Chandler, hardaway Jr, Bargs, Prig, Felt, and damn!! I think thats one freaking fun team to watch!

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                • We do need one more big though. I'd of loved to of gotten are hands on Birdman. Jason Maxiell is still out there as well.

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                  • Also Chris Wilcox would be a solid size guy to add.

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                    • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      Brand isnt playing for the Knicks they ship sailed with the Prigs signing.
                      Even if Stat is healthy this is not a contending team in my eyes. i think they win 45-48 games and finish with the 4-5 seed. They play the Bulls or Nets in the 1st round and lose. Depends how hard the Nets push in the regular season. If the Nets push to win the Atlantic they win it by 5 games at least if they are smart and keep minute totals down for the playoffs the Knicks could still win it. The Knicks played out of their minds for 2 stretches of games last season and outside of that were fairly average
                      If the Knicks aren't a contending team with an All-Star Stat than no matter what moves they make from here wont make them a contender.
                      All Hail The New York Giants!!

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                      • redeye is such a buzz kill lol.

                        you're enamored with the idea of "rebuilding" as if it guarantees you anything. the knicks could blow it up and rebuild for the next 5 years and end up in the same position they are now if not worse. the league is riddled with examples of teams that have been "rebuilding" for years with nothing to show for it.

                        the cavs drafted lebron and got nothing out of it.

                        it's not just you, a lot of people love the idea of having a team full of young, unproven draft picks because they represent possibility. with that said how many teams have won championships that built through the draft? the thunder hit on lotto pick after lotto pick and have nothing to show for it. they're capped out now just like we are.

                        the spurs are the only team i can think of that won championships by building through the draft and a lot of their success was because they in a sense got lucky by landing duncan, drafting parker late in the first and ginobli late in the second. i doubt their model of success will ever be repeated.

                        i view this knicks team as good enough to win a championship if a lot of things fall in place. if bargs and stat are both healthy and playing well for the playoffs, along with melo, jr, chandler, and the role players being healthy and playing well at the right time, along with maybe some luck as far as injuries to other teams.

                        i genuinely feel like we matched up better with the heat and spurs than the pacers last year.

                        if the knicks have a little luck and avoid some of the tougher stylistic matchups (bulls, indy) along with being healthy and playing well together at the right time, i think they can make a run and possibly win it all.

                        the only teams i'm willing to concede will have a better record than us in the east are the heat and the bulls... not even sure about the bulls either because it depends on how rose plays when he comes back.

                        my whole outlook is to simply enjoy the knicks for the fact that they are a competitive team. it wasn't that long ago we were a joke of a team that couldn't even go .500 in the east. if they don't win a chip with this core i won't be depressed about it. 2 years from now the team will have a lot of flexibility and options to rebuild through free agency.

                        i still see the future of the team with a positive outlook. we're in a lot better position than a lot of teams in the league.
                        Last edited by kNicksGiants; 07-11-2013, 05:31 PM.

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                        • artest has been officially waived via the amnesty clause. teams have 48 hours to put in a claim for him. if he clears waivers he'll be a knick.

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                          • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                            artest has been officially waived via the amnesty clause. teams have 48 hours to put in a claim for him. if he clears waivers he'll be a knick.
                            you think he'll clear?
                            Football has been very, very good to us.
                            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                            4-New York Giants!!!
                            5-NE
                            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                            ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                            • Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                              you think he'll clear?
                              someone will screw us over

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                              • knicks summer league is on MSG right now for anyone interested.

                                shumpgod is playing along with rookies hardaway jr and leslie

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