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  • i was rewatching some playoff games from last year and man,,. pablo is a beast... i mean if you followed the knicks you already know this... but it's amazing to me that anyone would be anything other than overjoyed about his return.

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    • chea!!!!! world peace is a knick!

      http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...al-With-Knicks

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      • Mother of God

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        • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
          Alright!
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
            The thing your not accounting for, is if Bargniani plays like he did a couple seasons ago, which is what were banking on, we got tremendous scoring depth with Melo, JR, Stat, Bargs, Shump, Felton, and Hardaway Jr all being able to score points. We mig ht not be Championship quality, but by adding Bargs and Hardaway Jr, we add 2 more scorers who can score from anywhere, and makes for a potent offene, and Shump is poised to be a 15ppg scorer in his own right.

            As far as Copeland goes, there was no one more excited about his potential then I was, but not the league is on to him, and he'll have to adjust, and we have no idea if the 29yr old will be able to do so. Also, will he shoot like he did this past yr? Seems to me like the 29yr old had one of those magical yrs, and the knicks weren't willing to bank on that happening again, which i tend to agree with. We've seen a ton of guys come outta nowhere in there late 20's and then fizzle quickly , ala Mikki Moore.

            The knicks offense should be able to score with anyone, and have enough guys to make up for off games by one or 2 of there guys in most games. I honestly think were about to see one of the most potent offenses the knicks have in some time.

            Also, Pablo was a heck of a player for us, and can shoot and dish, and was a fine resigning.

            I honestly think Bargs is gonna be a monster scorer for us, not having to be the guy anymore.
            Scoring yes but remember he also gives up 10 more points then he scores per 100 possesions

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            • for the vet min.. this is good

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              • LOL ,Scared of other teams no , Those rosters are much better though.Brooklyn is a better win now team although they are screwed in 2 years. Indiana has 2 All Stars just entering their prime not ending theirs like the Knicks. Indiana also has superior roster flexibility holding contracts of players that teams would call for in trades. The Knicks unfortunately dont have players like that. We have players with decreasing value in league.

                Im not depressed , but frustrated would be the right word. I would like to see them win a championship before I die and they arent anywhere near fielding a team that can do that. I can see whats coming already for 2015. Melo 25 million a year at 31 .They will give Aldridge a Max deal who will be 30 by the time the season starts. Both will start to decline immediately and will be waiting out the deals for at least 2 seasons.

                Artest signing is not a bad 1. I hope this doesnt mean Martin is gone though as I would prefer him if there was a choice. Knicks had to make this move cant wait on Martin, not going to do much better then this for the vet min.

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                • i'm blown away by the knicks offseason.

                  going into it i saw it as a real possibility that the knicks could lose jr, pablo, kmart and cope while only bringing in 1 impact player with the mmle. instead the knicks manage to bring back jr and pablo (possibly kmart as well, we'll see) while adding 2 legit impact players in artest and bargs. plus 2 nice rookies in hardaway and leslie.


                  the nets are trash. some might have forgotten so i'll remind you. raymond felton destroyed paul pierce last year in the playoffs. the dude looked 50 years old out here. garnett is still serviceable but injury prone and closing in on 40 years old. felton was slicing through and making layups in his face.

                  the knicks ended the celtics. adding these washed up players to their baby poo soft team is not scaring me one bit. they are not better than us. their entire roster is either injury prone or nearing 40 years old. buy into the hype all you want.


                  i know there are some melo haters on here but let me clear this up for you. melo > the nets. it's that simple.

                  they are this years laker "superteam".


                  it's amazing to me that people would get hyped about a team that was beaten by the bulls B team lol. no rose, no deng, no hinrich, noah playing on 1 foot... and they still lost. somehow adding the washed up celtics scraps makes them scary?


                  you want to hype up the pacers or bulls? go ahead... but the nets? amusing to say the least. we'll throw shump on dwill and let felton take pierce's soul again haha. blowpez is the only guy that remotely worries me.

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                  • hibbert is like 2 years younger than melo but he's entering his prime and melo is declining? lol

                    melo's game will age beautifully. he doesn't rely on athleticism to get his buckets. he'll be in his mid 30s still scoring 20+ ppg.

                    amazes me that knicks fans don't want to enjoy this era of winning basketball. let's just blow it up and suck for the next 5 years and hope to get back to where we are now lol. knicks are good enough to win now. you don't think so? that's your opinion. don't act like it's a fact.

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                    • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                      i'm blown away by the knicks offseason.

                      going into it i saw it as a real possibility that the knicks could lose jr, pablo, kmart and cope while only bringing in 1 impact player with the mmle. instead the knicks manage to bring back jr and pablo (possibly kmart as well, we'll see) while adding 2 legit impact players in artest and bargs. plus 2 nice rookies in hardaway and leslie.


                      the nets are trash. some might have forgotten so i'll remind you. raymond felton destroyed paul pierce last year in the playoffs. the dude looked 50 years old out here. garnett is still serviceable but injury prone and closing in on 40 years old. felton was slicing through and making layups in his face.

                      the knicks ended the celtics. adding these washed up players to their baby poo soft team is not scaring me one bit. they are not better than us. their entire roster is either injury prone or nearing 40 years old. buy into the hype all you want.


                      i know there are some melo haters on here but let me clear this up for you. melo > the nets. it's that simple.

                      they are this years laker "superteam".


                      it's amazing to me that people would get hyped about a team that was beaten by the bulls B team lol. no rose, no deng, no hinrich, noah playing on 1 foot... and they still lost. somehow adding the washed up celtics scraps makes them scary?


                      you want to hype up the pacers or bulls? go ahead... but the nets? amusing to say the least. we'll throw shump on dwill and let felton take pierce's soul again haha. blowpez is the only guy that remotely worries me.
                      Beaten by the Bulls yes and then added Ganrett,Pierce , Kirlrnko . Minimize them all u want those 2 guys took the Knicks to 6 games. U act like Pierce is washed up he is better then any Forward on the Knicks still outside Melo 19 6 and 5 last year . i would take Garnett over any player we have outside Melo. He is still a double double a night. I would take all 3 of the Nets additions 1 by 1 over any Knick we acquired offseason

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                      • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                        hibbert is like 2 years younger than melo but he's entering his prime and melo is declining? lol

                        melo's game will age beautifully. he doesn't rely on athleticism to get his buckets. he'll be in his mid 30s still scoring 20+ ppg.

                        amazes me that knicks fans don't want to enjoy this era of winning basketball. let's just blow it up and suck for the next 5 years and hope to get back to where we are now lol. knicks are good enough to win now. you don't think so? that's your opinion. don't act like it's a fact.
                        The era of winning basketball thats a sad comment. In a league where more then half the teams make the playoffs 1 season outside the 1st round is a failure

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                        • I hate how the Knicks do business they are very poorly run and it starts with ownership. Its not a coincidence they keep getting the worst contract in the sport on the roster. U can dress it up all u want but when u have all that cap space and trade every pick u can until 2017 I expect more then this. If the Knicks had this roster and still had the flexibility in draft picks to make deals I would be fine. They have put together a mediocre roster with no flexibility to get better. They are stuck until next season when they trade Amare for Steve Nash or Rudy Gay with draft picks through 2022 or something ridiculous like that. It will be name inefficient or really old player thats all I know.

                          Your right I would love to blow it up but I know they cant. Without owning draft picks thats not an option. 2015 reboot is a joke also now. Once u factor in Contracts, cap holds that we have to renounce if we want space ,Shumps extension the Knicks are left with 1 max deal and 9 more roster spots to fill.
                          Last edited by Redeyejedi; 07-15-2013, 06:44 PM.

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                          • those 2 took us to 6 games? wtf bro did you even watch the series? you can't be serious with this nonsense. they needed overtime to steal a game at home that JR was suspended in. last i checked amare didn't play a single game in the series. but yea it was just pierce and garnett out there by themselves.

                            can't stand when people post stat lines as if they mean anything either. pierce is done. he's a glorified spot up shooter at this point. if you'd take him and garnett over anyone else on our team you're banking on 2 old dude's staying healthy and not rapidly declining over upside and potential.

                            take your debbie downing elsewhere. the knicks had 1 legit season together and made it to the 2nd round. i can't stand fans like you. rather than enjoy the season you'll be dreading the eventual loss in the playoffs. weren't you the guy that predicted we'd fall down to the 6/7 seed? yea it was you.

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                            • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                              I hate how the Knicks do business they are very poorly run and it starts with ownership. Its not a coincidence they keep getting the worst contract in the sport on the roster. U can dress it up all u want but when u have all that cap space and trade every pick u can until 2017 I expect more then this. If the Knicks had this roster and still had the flexibility in draft picks to make deals I would be fine. They have put together a mediocre roster with no flexibility to get better. They are stuck until next season when they trade Amare for Steve Nash or Rudy Ray with draft picks through 2022 or something ridiculous like that
                              knicks aren't trading anybody. all the contracts line up for a reason.

                              who are all these other teams that are run better anyways? i've referenced this countless times and you never address it. the league is riddled with teams that have been rebuilding for years and years and have nothing to show for it. the bulls? they have a cheap owner that will never spend the money to put a team around rose. the heat? they got lucky that the superfriends teams up. the pacers? they traded kawai leonard to overpay a scrub george hill. other than the spurs and thunder i don't even know who you're talking about. go down the list of champions over the past 20 years and how many of them had anything to do with what you're talking about?

                              lakers? they lucked into kobe demanding to only play for them.

                              who are you talking about? who are these teams that are run so much better? i'm genuinely curious.

                              the grass always seems greener on the other side.

                              battered fan syndrome is a very real thing. i'm fortunate in that i never put any emotion into the knicks during the isiah years. i can understand why someone would have your way of thinking after living through that.
                              Last edited by kNicksGiants; 07-15-2013, 06:44 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
                                knicks aren't trading anybody. all the contracts line up for a reason.

                                who are all these other teams that are run better anyways? i've referenced this countless times and you never address it. the league is riddled with teams that have been rebuilding for years and years and have nothing to show for it. the bulls? they have a cheap owner that will never spend the money to put a team around rose. the heat? they got lucky that the superfriends teams up. the pacers? they traded kawai leonard to overpay a scrub george hill. other than the spurs and thunder i don't even know who you're talking about. go down the list of champions over the past 20 years and how many of them had anything to do with what you're talking about?

                                lakers? they lucked into kobe demanding to only play for them.

                                who are you talking about? who are these teams that are run so much better? i'm genuinely curious.

                                the grass always seems greener on the other side.

                                battered fan syndrome is a very real thing. i'm fortunate in that i never put any emotion into the knicks during the isiah years. i can understand why someone would have your way of thinking after living through that.
                                The Knicks have an advantage over many teams that they are willing to spend above and beyond to build a team . They also have an upper hand on being a place people want to live. Even with those advantages over smaller market teams they cant get it together. There is no reason the Knicks cant have success like the Lakers. The Knicks dont have the same success because they never make the the right choices when the moves are there to be made. Camby and Amare or Camby Nene frontcourt in their prime but no trade for a broken down player Mcydess. Draft Andrew Bynum who was the better prospect no lets take No upside Channing Frye. Let Ewing expire when Webber becomes a FA no trade him for Vin baker/Glen Rice. Trade lottery picks for Eddy Curry that turn out to be Lamarcus Aldridge and Tyson Chandler.let Billups expire , keep the amnesty no sign Chandler and end all flexibility. The Knicks have had their chances but every time its always for the quick fix the easy way. Trade the picks for the established player, take the NBA ready player not the HS phenom, Win now , Win now.

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