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  • #31
    Re: michael vick

    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="sharick88"]


    I'm not blaming the race card. Just bringing it up as a topic. And yes there is room for it. I know it's a sensitive deal, but I really don't mind talking about it. </P>


    [/quote]

    I've never been one to shy away from a sensitive topic, I really just don't see any possible way that it correlates to this situation.

    Wanna play it from the otherside? This roony rule is ridiculous imho, and the fact that they are trying to swing it for GM's is a horrible Idea...these teams are privately owned and I'm sorry...I find it VERY hard to believe with the success of Black Coaches in the league over the last few years (tomlin anyone?) that any owner in his right mind would allow a coachs skin color to effect his decision on whats best for his own team.

    It's borderline reverse racism.
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    I know you're not. I've read your posts and respect that you don't back down from your takes. And yes I do think the Rooney rule is stupid also. Most of the owners already know who they want to hire. If I were a minority coach who got interviewed just to cover an owner's ***, I'd be offended because I didn't get a fair shake in the process. Anyways, I just think that people do take race into consideration when it comes to Vick. ****, he even had to cut his hair before he went to court because he was perceived as a thug since he had cornrows.</P>
    If you respect others, they will respect you.

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    • #32
      Re: michael vick

      [quote user="Pakman"][quote user="sharick88"][quote user="Pakman"]


      [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="DeusExGiants"]i personally do not want him back in the nfl it sets a bad example for the younger generations
      [/quote]

      I think he's served his time, and as long as he shows remorse and a willingness to HELP the community in the future his story can be a good one...in the long run.

      It can show people (kids) who have already made bad decisions...that you can get a second chance, that one bad choice is not the end of your life.
      [/quote]</P>


      </P>


      Thank you he served his time he paid for his punishment...people need to let it go</P>


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      I didnt see anyone complaing about the farmer shooting 100 dogs...</P>


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      Yeah tell me about. Whether people want to admit it or not, race is definitely an issue in this matter. It's hard enough for the black QB in the NFL. They are already demanded to do more as it is. No excuse, but this is part of some people's thinking. And then when one of the high profile ones gets into trouble, does his time, and shows remorse, people still don't want to give him a second chance. Itis pathetic. <FONT size=4>If Peyton Manning did the same thing</FONT>, he'd be welcomed back with open arms. Just looking at it from a different angle. And this angle is certainly debatable</P>


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      Jadakiss?</P>


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      LOL</P>
      If you respect others, they will respect you.

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      • #33
        Re: michael vick

        [quote user="sharick88"]

        Anyways, I just think that people do take race into consideration when it comes to Vick. [/quote]</p>

        I'm sure some do, they ALWAYS will, because that's just how life is, people have their own views no matter how F'ed up they are, but I believe its clear at this point in time, that those people are a small minority.
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        [quote user="sharick88"]****, he even had to cut his hair before he went to court because he was perceived as a thug since he had cornrows.</p>[/quote]

        I have to shave to go to work...can't walk around with a hawt Goatee, AM I BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!!

        [:P]

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        • #34
          Re: michael vick

          [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="sharick88"]


          Anyways, I just think that people do take race into consideration when it comes to Vick. [/quote]</P>


          I'm sure some do, they ALWAYS will, because that's just how life is, people have their own views no matter how F'ed up they are, but I believe its clear at this point in time, that those people are a small minority.
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          [quote user="sharick88"]****, he even had to cut his hair before he went to court because he was perceived as a thug since he had cornrows.</P>


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          <FONT color=#ff0000>I have to shave to go to work...can't walk around with a hawt Goatee, AM I BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!!
          </FONT>
          [:P]
          [/quote]</P>


          I hate rules like that, Im very attached to my beard, and its always well groomed, but every job I interview for says nothing below the uper lip, like who the heck wants to rock a mustash? What am I a 70's porn star? That looks less appropriate to me. Jobs shouldnt care about hair cuts, facial hair, earings ect, as long as its done tastefully, you can have all those things and still look clean cut</P>

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          • #35
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            [quote user="DeusExGiants"]i personally do not want him back in the nfl it sets a bad example for the younger generations
            [/quote]Let me start off by saying I myselfam a dog owner, and ive had pitbulls and seen fights.As a person growin up in the pjz in brooklyn this is the kind of culture people of minoritie as me are exposed 2, and it is what we grow up around.Now im not justifying what he did, because its honestly horrible.But to deny him of a second chance is not the answer.I think that without a doubt, this man has payed his debt to society.And he does deserve a second shot and will most likely get it, but it is up 2 Micheal Vick to take it and redeem himself.</P>


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            • #36
              Re: michael vick

              [quote user="napier23"]I hate rules like that, Im very attached to my beard, and its always well groomed, but every job I interview for says nothing below the uper lip, like who the heck wants to rock a mustash? What am I a 70's porn star? That looks less appropriate to me. Jobs shouldnt care about hair cuts, facial hair, earings ect, as long as its done tastefully, you can have all those things and still look clean cut[/quote]

              While I completely agree with you, the fact is I work for a Private Company, so what I think only matters as much as the owner cares about it...that's just how the world works...so that Vick had to cut his hair...yeah sorry, but its not as big a travesty to me as some would like it to be.

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              • #37
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                [quote user="NyG718"][quote user="DeusExGiants"]i personally do not want him back in the nfl it sets a bad example for the younger generations
                [/quote]Let me start off by saying I myselfam a dog owner, and ive had pitbulls and seen fights.<FONT color=#0000ff>As a person growin up in the pjz in brooklyn this is the kind of culture people of minoritie as me are exposed 2, and it is what we grow up around.</FONT>Now im not justifying what he did, because its honestly horrible.But to deny him of a second chance is not the answer.I think that without a doubt, this man has payed his debt to society.And he does deserve a second shot and will most likely get it,<FONT color=#ff0000> but it is up 2 Micheal Vick to take it and redeem himself</FONT>.[/quote]</P>


                <FONT color=#0000ff>I think people do realize that, its not like he attended one, he ran and financed it, its a bit differant</FONT></P>


                <FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></P>


                <FONT color=#ff0000>True, its up to him now, what he says, and his actions should match up, thats accountability.</FONT></P>

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                • #38
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                  [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="napier23"]I hate rules like that, Im very attached to my beard, and its always well groomed, but every job I interview for says nothing below the uper lip, like who the heck wants to rock a mustash? What am I a 70's porn star? That looks less appropriate to me. Jobs shouldnt care about hair cuts, facial hair, earings ect, as long as its done tastefully, you can have all those things and still look clean cut[/quote]

                  While I completely agree with you, the fact is I work for a Private Company, so what I think only matters as much as the owner cares about it...that's just how the world works...so that Vick had to cut his hair...yeah sorry, but its not as big a travesty to me as some would like it to be.
                  [/quote]</P>


                  I agree, just dont like the fact that if i want to provide a good living for my family I have to go through life without a beard I truly prefer</P>

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                  • #39
                    Re: michael vick

                    [quote user="napier23"]


                    I agree, just dont like the fact that if i want to provide a good living for my family I have to go through life without a beard I truly prefer</p>[/quote]

                    well I mean, you do have the option to start your OWN business...it's not like you are being forced against your will to work for a company that has that rule.

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                    • #40
                      Re: michael vick

                      [quote user="napier23"]


                      [quote user="NyG718"][quote user="DeusExGiants"]i personally do not want him back in the nfl it sets a bad example for the younger generations
                      [/quote]Let me start off by saying I myselfam a dog owner, and ive had pitbulls and seen fights.<FONT color=#0000ff>As a person growin up in the pjz in brooklyn this is the kind of culture people of minoritie as me are exposed 2, and it is what we grow up around.</FONT>Now im not justifying what he did, because its honestly horrible.But to deny him of a second chance is not the answer.I think that without a doubt, this man has payed his debt to society.And he does deserve a second shot and will most likely get it,<FONT color=#ff0000> but it is up 2 Micheal Vick to take it and redeem himself</FONT>.[/quote]</P>


                      <FONT color=#0000ff>I think people do realize that, its not like he attended one, he ran and financed it, its a bit differant</FONT></P>


                      <FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></P>


                      <FONT color=#ff0000>True, its up to him now, what he says, and his actions should match up, thats accountability.</FONT></P>


                      [/quote]And i do understand thats y i said it really was horrible, i honestly hate him for that fact.But i love the guy, AS AN ATHLETE.I think he has served his time.I debated for awhile whether he was wrong or if i would forgive him.And i still honestly havent, all i have 2 do is look at this picture and i juss cant forgive him.</P>


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                      • #41
                        Re: michael vick



                        &lt;---Completely desensitized to pictures, the internet did that to me.

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                        • #42
                          Re: michael vick

                          [quote user="NyG718"]

                          [quote user="DeusExGiants"]i personally do not want him back in the nfl it sets a bad example for the younger generations
                          [/quote]Let me start off by saying I myself*am a dog owner, and ive had pitbulls and seen fights.As a person growin up in the pjz in brooklyn this is the kind of culture people of minoritie as me are exposed 2, and it is what we grow up around.Now im not justifying what he did, because its honestly horrible.But to deny him of a second chance is not the answer.I think that without a doubt, this man has payed his debt to society.And he does deserve a second shot and will most likely get it, but it is up 2 Micheal Vick to take it and* redeem himself.</P>


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                          You make a Good point about ones culture. I guess you have to take that into account.

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                          • #43
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                            He paid his penalty. I don't see what he should be prevented from being reinstated in the NFL.

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                            • #44
                              Re: michael vick

                              [quote user="sharick88"][quote user="Pakman"]


                              [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="DeusExGiants"]i personally do not want him back in the nfl it sets a bad example for the younger generations
                              [/quote]

                              I think he's served his time, and as long as he shows remorse and a willingness to HELP the community in the future his story can be a good one...in the long run.

                              It can show people (kids) who have already made bad decisions...that you can get a second chance, that one bad choice is not the end of your life.
                              [/quote]</P>


                              </P>


                              Thank you he served his time he paid for his punishment...people need to let it go</P>


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                              I didnt see anyone complaing about the farmer shooting 100 dogs...</P>


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                              Yeah tell me about. Whether people want to admit it or not, race is definitely an issue in this matter. It's hard enough for the black QB in the NFL. They are already demanded to do more as it is. No excuse, but this is part of some people's thinking. And then when one of the high profile ones gets into trouble, does his time, and shows remorse, people still don't want to give him a second chance. Itis pathetic. If Peyton Manning did the same thing, he'd be welcomed back with open arms. Just looking at it from a different angle. And this angle is certainly debatable</P>[/quote]This is definitely about race.Not only is he being tageted because he is black.Look at it this way, theyre having a media field day because hes a black man that excels in a position predominately played by a white man, QB.And he was the highest payed player at that position and in the league at the time.

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                              • #45
                                Re: michael vick

                                [quote user="NyG718"]This is definitely about race.Not only is he being tageted because he is black.Look at it this way, theyre having a media field day because hes a black man that excels in a position predominately played by a white man, QB.And he was the highest payed player at that position and in the league at the time.[/quote]

                                Oh come on are you guys being serious?

                                he's famous, that's the reason the medias on him, no other reason.

                                Black QB's are very successful already. McNabb/Warren Moon/Jason Cambell heck isn't JaMarcus Russell one of the highest paid QB's in the league?

                                anyone trying to play the race card on this issue is simply mistaken.

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