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  • melo gonna stay in ny. he's just out enjoying the free agent process, getting wined and dined.

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    • Originally posted by kNicksGiants View Post
      melo gonna stay in ny. he's just out enjoying the free agent process, getting wined and dined.
      I think he stays.. He could possibly get the super max.. Which is bad

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      • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
        With the opener now only 1day away(holy crap!!!), we can start talking about are beloved boys in orange and blue! With the additons of Metta World Peace, Andrea Bargniani, Beno Udrich, Tim Hardaway Jr, and the resigning of Kenyon Martin Prig, and Jr smith, and SHump going into yr 3, of what i think is gonna be his 1st AS appearence of many, and Melo,stat, Chandler, Felton also all returning, were in for a awesome season!



        THis team is crazy deep! I raved about the drafting of Tim Hardaway Jr and was fully on board with the trade for Andrea, and i'm also on record right now, as saying, this team will go further in the postseason then they did last yr! Confrence Finals at worst!
        As long as the team centers around Carloser Anthony, they will be forever an afterthought

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        • I don't get why were trying to give Melo the max. Did we not just watch Melos entire career with NY lead to nothing but a 1st rd exit, 1st rd win, and not make the postseason all together? NOT MAKE POSTSEASON in terrible , terrible eastern confrence. And the sad part is, Melo was actually really good.lol Its the same reason Denver never was a real threat for a title. He just don't do enough. Scoring is scoring. Thats it. Great he can score, but at his contract, you best be getting a complete player, ala Kevin Durant, Lebron James, and even Dirk Nowitzki.. To me, Melo's not worth 129million over 5yrs at all..

          You get a guy like Phil Jackson, and can actually really have him build a team within a couple yrs, and you decide to hand string em with the same old problems of having a Max guy or 2 and very little money to do anything else with. We could literally have a blank slate after next season which would include a great draft pick, as we probably woulden't be that good, and a ton of cap space. And Phil's all ready done well at getting a few complementery pieces , and a couple young pieces who could possibly be pretty good(Early,Larkin,Greece Freak Bro). We also got 2 one dimensional scorers on the team all ready in Timmy and JR.

          I love watching Melo when hes on, but hes just not a championship kinda player and is way to one dimensional for the doe he'll command. Start over for real, please!

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          • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
            I don't get why were trying to give Melo the max. Did we not just watch Melos entire career with NY lead to nothing but a 1st rd exit, 1st rd win, and not make the postseason all together? NOT MAKE POSTSEASON in terrible , terrible eastern confrence. And the sad part is, Melo was actually really good.lol Its the same reason Denver never was a real threat for a title. He just don't do enough. Scoring is scoring. Thats it. Great he can score, but at his contract, you best be getting a complete player, ala Kevin Durant, Lebron James, and even Dirk Nowitzki.. To me, Melo's not worth 129million over 5yrs at all..

            You get a guy like Phil Jackson, and can actually really have him build a team within a couple yrs, and you decide to hand string em with the same old problems of having a Max guy or 2 and very little money to do anything else with. We could literally have a blank slate after next season which would include a great draft pick, as we probably woulden't be that good, and a ton of cap space. And Phil's all ready done well at getting a few complementery pieces , and a couple young pieces who could possibly be pretty good(Early,Larkin,Greece Freak Bro). We also got 2 one dimensional scorers on the team all ready in Timmy and JR.

            I love watching Melo when hes on, but hes just not a championship kinda player and is way to one dimensional for the doe he'll command. Start over for real, please!
            I honestly think Phil is a great "chess player" when it comes to stuff like this. Carmelo has said he wants to come back to NY and would take a paycut. Phil told him the max is on the table. He can either leave and betray NY, take the max and go against his word, or do the right thing and take a discount to help assemble the rest of the squad.

            Just like the whole Shumpert trade situation... that was being leaked from the Knicks and it never went through. Then out of no where Phil swings a steal of a deal sending Chandler and Felton to the Mavs. The same thing could be happening with the Pau Gasol deal. It could all be a smoke screen for a bigger/different play.

            But if they do indeed sign Melo and manage to get Pau as well that will really set them up nicely for 2015 getting Marc Gasol. Calderon is apparently like best friends with the Gasol's and his brother would be on the team.

            Imagine a 2015-2016 starting line-up of

            PG-Calderon
            SG-THJ
            SF-Melo
            PF-Pau Gasol
            C-Marc Gasol

            that lineup in the triangle would be insane. The Gasol's are great passing big men, Calderon is a great passer and his cash from 3, Hardaway is a good scorer already, and Melo is Melo. If they could pull that off somehow with some defensive/energy specialists off the bench that would be a really dangerous team.

            That being said regardless if Melo signs or not (I think he stays and for a little less than max) I think Phil will put together a legit championship contender in the next 3 year at least.
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            • He is worthless

              Max???? Are you crazy.........just dump him
              Every team he has ever left has gotten better.......hes a ball hog with a bad jump shot shooting percentage

              his only talent is going to the hoop.......and he's usually too lazy to do that

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              • Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
                He is worthless

                Max???? Are you crazy.........just dump him
                Every team he has ever left has gotten better.......hes a ball hog with a bad jump shot shooting percentage

                his only talent is going to the hoop.......and he's usually too lazy to do that
                Have to agree. We don't need to strap the team with another max contract of 5 years for 129million.. It would kill us. We are just coming to the point where we'd be out from under all these bad contracts in about a year. Phil needs to think twice about giving melo the max. He needs to build a title contender over next two or three seasons and giving Melo the max is not the way to start out to accomplish that goal
                Football has been very, very good to us.
                After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                4-New York Giants!!!
                5-NE
                Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                • Melo gets offered the super max.. He takes less and looks like a hero.. Everybody wins.. Phil is a boss

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                  • Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
                    He is worthless

                    Max???? Are you crazy.........just dump him
                    Every team he has ever left has gotten better.......hes a ball hog with a bad jump shot shooting percentage

                    his only talent is going to the hoop.......and he's usually too lazy to do that
                    Easily the best post I have seen from you, jakk. He is simply a ball stopper.
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                    • Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
                      Melo gets offered the super max.. He takes less and looks like a hero.. Everybody wins.. Phil is a boss
                      Exactly... Phil thinks things way ahead. He offered the max. Melo can go against his word and accept the max, he can go against his word and sign with another team, or he could sign with a discount (which I think he does), or if he does leave Phil can say he did everything in his power to keep Melo. I mean really Phil set things up so he looks good no matter what. He really puts pressure on Melo to live up to what he said by taking a pay-cut and staying in NY
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                      1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
                      4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
                      6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
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                      • Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
                        He is worthless

                        Max???? Are you crazy.........just dump him
                        Every team he has ever left has gotten better.......hes a ball hog with a bad jump shot shooting percentage

                        his only talent is going to the hoop.......and he's usually too lazy to do that
                        When you say "every team he has ever left has gotten better"... 'Cuse has not won a 'ship since Melo left... Denver got a better deal because our FO is a complete joke and gets ripped off every single trade until Phil pulled that Mavs trade... I mean how can you honestly put that on one player.

                        He shot poorly because no one else could consistently score. He felt like he had to win himself most of the nights... which most games won were when Melo played efficiently.

                        He is not worthless. I think he desperately wants to win a 'ship. He needs to trust his teammates more and his teammates need to perform better.

                        He has much more talent than just going to the rack. He has a very quick jump to get offensive rebounds, he can shoot it with the best of them, he is strong as hell going to the rack, and he is clutch. He is a flat out scorer. In the triangle I think he would excel and I think he would compete better on D if the rest of the squad would make it a little more easier instead of every game is on his shoulders

                        That's just my opinion... I might be the only one that feels that way but I wanted to mention how I felt about the situation.
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                        1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
                        4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
                        6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
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                          • Oh, and basketball blows. Outtie 5000.
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                            • Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
                              I honestly think Phil is a great "chess player" when it comes to stuff like this. Carmelo has said he wants to come back to NY and would take a paycut. Phil told him the max is on the table. He can either leave and betray NY, take the max and go against his word, or do the right thing and take a discount to help assemble the rest of the squad.

                              Just like the whole Shumpert trade situation... that was being leaked from the Knicks and it never went through. Then out of no where Phil swings a steal of a deal sending Chandler and Felton to the Mavs. The same thing could be happening with the Pau Gasol deal. It could all be a smoke screen for a bigger/different play.

                              But if they do indeed sign Melo and manage to get Pau as well that will really set them up nicely for 2015 getting Marc Gasol. Calderon is apparently like best friends with the Gasol's and his brother would be on the team.

                              Imagine a 2015-2016 starting line-up of

                              PG-Calderon
                              SG-THJ
                              SF-Melo
                              PF-Pau Gasol
                              C-Marc Gasol

                              that lineup in the triangle would be insane. The Gasol's are great passing big men, Calderon is a great passer and his cash from 3, Hardaway is a good scorer already, and Melo is Melo. If they could pull that off somehow with some defensive/energy specialists off the bench that would be a really dangerous team.

                              That being said regardless if Melo signs or not (I think he stays and for a little less than max) I think Phil will put together a legit championship contender in the next 3 year at least.
                              Of course Melo isn't gonna take less then the Max from what I understand. If he takes the full max, is there a chance we could still get Pau and Marc this yr and next?

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                              • Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
                                When you say "every team he has ever left has gotten better"... 'Cuse has not won a 'ship since Melo left... Denver got a better deal because our FO is a complete joke and gets ripped off every single trade until Phil pulled that Mavs trade... I mean how can you honestly put that on one player.

                                He shot poorly because no one else could consistently score. He felt like he had to win himself most of the nights... which most games won were when Melo played efficiently.

                                He is not worthless. I think he desperately wants to win a 'ship. He needs to trust his teammates more and his teammates need to perform better.

                                He has much more talent than just going to the rack. He has a very quick jump to get offensive rebounds, he can shoot it with the best of them, he is strong as hell going to the rack, and he is clutch. He is a flat out scorer. In the triangle I think he would excel and I think he would compete better on D if the rest of the squad would make it a little more easier instead of every game is on his shoulders

                                That's just my opinion... I might be the only one that feels that way but I wanted to mention how I felt about the situation.
                                Hes a talented player, no doubt, but he shoot such a high volume of shots, and isn't really elite at anything but scoring. Theres just something about his game that has lead none of the teams hes been on in his career to really even sniff a title. Lebron had Cle in the finals for godsake.lol Melo prob had one of his best yrs ever last season and the team didn't even make the postseason. I"m with you that hes talented and Im not bummed hes on the team, the guy can do some things. I just think Phil had the perfect chance to start over fresh about as quick as anyone trying to build a franchise from scratch could've ever wanted.

                                We could've essentially had all the bad contracts off the book going into FA'cy next yr with a 1st rd pick(would be pretty early as well).. So you got your cap space, draft picks, and some young pieces all ready in place(timmy,early,larkin.etc), and a solid, unselfish PG whos better then Derek Fisher ever was, and he was solid for Phil in LA.

                                I know this might sound wierd, but i'm really hoping we resign Aldrich. I think if you play that guy, your gonna get production, period. The guy was the 11th pick a few yrs ago, and didn't do extremely well right away and has basically vanished. Hes a beast defender, and can move fairly well for such a big bodied dude and can score on occasion. I think he might end up finally hitting on the potential he had as the 11th pick in 2010.. I know hes on the Summer League team, I just hope they sign em and make him the direct backup to Dalembert, and who knows, maybe he'll get more time as yr goes on....

                                Back to Melo.. I do think hes gonna be really good in Phil and Fish triangle offense...

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