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    Kiwi goes back down on the line




    Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?

    "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

    2014 Draft:
    Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
    Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
    Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
    Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
    Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
    Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
    Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

  • #2
    Re: Assume we trade Osi

    Brown looks like a good prospect. However, this Nick Perry kid from USC is intriguing.
    "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

    2014 Draft:
    Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
    Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
    Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
    Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
    Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
    Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
    Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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    • #3
      Re: Assume we trade Osi

      [quote user="Shockeyitus"]


      Kiwi goes back down on the line




      Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?




      [/quote]I'd be hoping Whitney Mercilus drops to us, personally... We make a living off pass rushers, and Mercilus is a turnover creating machine, who has underrated athletic ability, and a very high ceiling, as a young "justin tuck" type of pass rusher.. JPP, Kiwi, Mercilus, and Tuck continues to give us a big time crop of pass rushers, and keeps us pretty much set for the forseeable futureat the positon.. I think Mercilus is very underrated at this point and would not be surprised if he goes in the late teens by draft day..




      I also don't think we nessecarily go Defense in RD 1, even if we trade OSI.. If a guy like Dwayne Allen or Mike Adams slips to us, it'll be tough to let them go by the wayside.. Plus you'll have the ex pick or picks from OSI trade to load up on whatever side of the ball u choose, so u can still use those picks to get defense later on or whatever...

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      • #4
        Re: Assume we trade Osi

        [quote user="Shockeyitus"]

        Kiwi goes back down on the line




        Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?

        [/quote]

        I doubt we trade Osi (we wouldn't get the value he provides playing out his contract).

        And even if we do we have more than enough LBers to take Kiwi's place to mitigate the need in the first round.

        I don't see us taking Zach Brown (or any LBer) in the first round.
        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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        • #5
          Re: Assume we trade Osi

          [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]


          Kiwi goes back down on the line




          Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?




          [/quote]I'd be hoping Whitney Mercilus drops to us, personally...* We make a living off pass rushers, and Mercilus is a turnover creating machine, who has underrated athletic ability, and a very high ceiling, as a young "justin tuck" type of pass rusher..* JPP, Kiwi, Mercilus, and Tuck* continues to give us a big time crop of pass rushers, and keeps us pretty much set for the forseeable future*at the positon.. I think Mercilus is very underrated at this point* and would not be surprised if he goes in the late teens by draft day..




          I also don't think we nessecarily go Defense* in RD 1*, even if we trade OSI.. If a guy like Dwayne Allen or Mike Adams slips to us, it'll be tough to let them go by the wayside..* Plus you'll have the ex pick or picks from OSI trade to load up on whatever side of the ball u choose, so u can still use those picks to get defense later on or whatever...*

          [/quote]

          Mercilus would almost be a lock for us if he drops to #32. Can't imagine he will considering the premium on pass rushers in general and especially after our post-season run.
          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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          • #6
            Re: Assume we trade Osi

            Zach Brown plays really soft, and he gets lost on the field at times. Plus the giants already have a couple good outside linebackers, its middle linebacker that they have a hole.


            Have no interest in Brown either way

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            • #7
              Re: Assume we trade Osi

              I don't see Brown being any more reliable against the run than any of our LBers currently on the roster. If anyone moves Kiwi back to DE, it'd be Goff, not Brown.

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              • #8
                Re: Assume we trade Osi

                [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                Kiwi goes back down on the line




                Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?

                [/quote]

                I doubt we trade Osi (we wouldn't get the value he provides playing out his contract).

                And even if we do we have more than enough LBers to take Kiwi's place to mitigate the need in the first round.

                I don't see us taking Zach Brown (or any LBer) in the first round.[/quote]

                Wouldn't get the value? He has 1 year remaining on his contract with the virtual impossibility of resigning him after that said season.

                He's on the other side of 30 now and it would be the perfect time to sell high. ESPN's Dan Graziano said it best,

                "He's at peak value and they can afford to lose him. That's a confluence
                of circumstances that doesn't come around too often. As a pure business
                decision, trading Umenyiora this summer is the right thing for the
                Giants to do."

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                • #9
                  Re: Assume we trade Osi

                  Whatever Giants get in return, won't be of equal value.

                  It may very well come down to the scenario of having to trade him, but it's still early to tell. Last thing that should be done is trade away a known pass rushing commodity, something that gives the Giants' D its identity, prematurely.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Assume we trade Osi



                    If we do not trade Osi or renegotiate his contract watch him come up with some mysterious injury that vanishes should we make another playoff run!!




                    I would love Osi to come back if he performed and behavedlikethe last part of the season but if he does notget his raise I see trouble!!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Assume we trade Osi

                      [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                      Kiwi goes back down on the line




                      Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?

                      [/quote]

                      I doubt we trade Osi (we wouldn't get the value he provides playing out his contract).

                      And even if we do we have more than enough LBers to take Kiwi's place to mitigate the need in the first round.

                      I don't see us taking Zach Brown (or any LBer) in the first round.[/quote]

                      Wouldn't get the value? He has 1 year remaining on his contract with the virtual impossibility of resigning him after that said season.

                      He's on the other side of 30 now and it would be the perfect time to sell high. ESPN's Dan Graziano said it best,

                      "He's at peak value and they can afford to lose him. That's a confluence
                      of circumstances that doesn't come around too often. As a pure business
                      decision, trading Umenyiora this summer is the right thing for the
                      Giants to do."[/quote]

                      But again, Dan's article doesnt really address the issues surrounding this hypothetical trade. Its nice in theory, but not in practice for a variety of reasons that ALL stem from Osi's incredible contract demands last year. Last year, the media kinda bashed the Giants on the issue without ever really looking at the cause of the problem, which was absolutely Osi's inflated demands.

                      As we know, the Giants will seek fair value in trade. Most right now feel that would be about a 2nd round pick. Absolutely Nobody is going to trade a 2nd round pick, or even a 3rd round pick for a guy who has 1 year left on his deal. This means, Osi will have to agree to a new contract with whatever team we are trading as a prerequisite for the trade. If he demands top 5 DE salary, as he did last year he will kill any deal before it happens. Teams just arent going to pay that, just like we wouldnt. Also, any team that is going to have contract negotiations will want to let their docs have a look at him. Remember, last year Osi hid an injury from both the Giants and all potential trade partners. Come trade time, that IS going to be an issue.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Assume we trade Osi

                        [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                        Kiwi goes back down on the line




                        Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?

                        [/quote]

                        I doubt we trade Osi (we wouldn't get the value he provides playing out his contract).

                        And even if we do we have more than enough LBers to take Kiwi's place to mitigate the need in the first round.

                        I don't see us taking Zach Brown (or any LBer) in the first round.[/quote]
                        I'd think wed take kuechley if he fell all the way to our pick

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                        • #13
                          Re: Assume we trade Osi

                          [quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                          Kiwi goes back down on the line




                          Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?

                          [/quote]

                          If Zac Brown is available you take him. He is a TarHeel and we love TarHeels on NY Giants especially at linebacker.

                          I doubt Zac Brown will be available.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Assume we trade Osi

                            [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                            Kiwi goes back down on the line




                            Do we draft Zac Brown # 32 overall?

                            [/quote]

                            I doubt we trade Osi (we wouldn't get the value he provides playing out his contract).

                            And even if we do we have more than enough LBers to take Kiwi's place to mitigate the need in the first round.

                            I don't see us taking Zach Brown (or any LBer) in the first round.[/quote]

                            Wouldn't get the value? He has 1 year remaining on his contract with the virtual impossibility of resigning him after that said season.

                            He's on the other side of 30 now and it would be the perfect time to sell high. ESPN's Dan Graziano said it best,

                            "He's at peak value and they can afford to lose him. That's a confluence
                            of circumstances that doesn't come around too often. As a pure business
                            decision, trading Umenyiora this summer is the right thing for the
                            Giants to do."[/quote]

                            But again, Dan's article doesnt really address the issues surrounding this hypothetical trade. Its nice in theory, but not in practice for a variety of reasons that ALL stem from Osi's incredible contract demands last year. Last year, the media kinda bashed the Giants on the issue without ever really looking at the cause of the problem, which was absolutely Osi's inflated demands.

                            As we know, the Giants will seek fair value in trade. Most right now feel that would be about a 2nd round pick. Absolutely Nobody is going to trade a 2nd round pick, or even a 3rd round pick for a guy who has 1 year left on his deal. This means, Osi will have to agree to a new contract with whatever team we are trading as a prerequisite for the trade. If he demands top 5 DE salary, as he did last year he will kill any deal before it happens. Teams just arent going to pay that, just like we wouldnt. Also, any team that is going to have contract negotiations will want to let their docs have a look at him. Remember, last year Osi hid an injury from both the Giants and all potential trade partners. Come trade time, that IS going to be an issue.

                            [/quote]Also factor in that we'd probably get a 3rd round comp pick if he leaves as a FA and signs to a big contract

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                            • #15
                              Re: Assume we trade Osi

                              Honestly, I see Brown going to the eagles. He fits their mold: stupidly athletic, but with motivational issues, and a reach at their position.


                              Now, if Kuechly happens to be sitting there at 32... (Pre-combine I've got him at ~20. Could rise or fall 12 spots based on his workout)

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