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    With the last pick in each round, the Giants will be forced to reach for a few players. Dont be surpirsed if they pull the trigger on guys like this in round two (#64)




    RB - Victor Ballard, Bernard Pierce




    WR - Dwight Jones, Marvin McNutt




    TE - Michael Egnew, Ladarius Green




    O-Line - Bobby Massie, Nate Potter, Brandon Washington, Senio Kelemete




    D-Line - Mike Martin, Kendell Reyes




    LB - Bruce Irvin, Audi Cole, Bobby Wagner




    CB/S - Leonard Johson, Ryan Steed, Jayron Hosley, Aaron Henry, Trumaine Johnson.

    "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

    2014 Draft:
    Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
    Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
    Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
    Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
    Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
    Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
    Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

  • #2
    Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

    I dont understand how this thread is logical.

    Why would picking at 64 mean they have to reach?

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    • #3
      Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4



      [quote user="slipknottin"]I dont understand how this thread is logical. Why would picking at 64 mean they have to reach?[/quote]




      Guys that are projected to be third round picks that the Giants really like may not be around until pick #96. Therefore, they may consider grabbing someone with their 64th overall selection. Capeesh?

      "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

      2014 Draft:
      Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
      Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
      Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
      Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
      Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
      Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
      Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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      • #4
        Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4



        [quote user="slipknottin"]I dont understand how this thread is logical. Why would picking at 64 mean they have to reach?[/quote]




        Guys that are projected to be third round picks that the Giants really like may not be around until pick #96. Therefore, they may consider grabbing someone with their 64th overall selection. Capeesh?

        "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

        2014 Draft:
        Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
        Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
        Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
        Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
        Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
        Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
        Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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        • #5
          Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

          wouldnt that happen even if they were picking 1st in each round? At pick 33, a guy may not fall all the way to pick 65, so they take them at 33?

          But if its a significant difference in value, then you trade down.

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          • #6
            Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

            Nevermind. I was just trying to discuss mock drafts and how people will accuse someone of "reaching" in their mocks.

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            • #7
              Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

              [quote user="critters"]No. If a guy is projected as a 2nd rounder and you get him with the first pick in the 2nd round you aren't reaching.[/quote]

              What? lol. NFL teams dont rank players based on what round they are supposed to go in.

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              • #8
                Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                [quote user="critters"]No. If a guy is projected as a 2nd rounder and you get him with the first pick in the 2nd round you aren't reaching. If a guy is projected to be a mid to late 3rd rounder and you pick last... you would have to take him in the 2nd round to get him. Point is when you pick last and say you think we should get player A in the 2nd round... people will say, he's a 3rd round guy. Well, for us to get him, we have to make him a 2nd round guy. Hence, reaching.
                [/quote]

                Whether you pick the mid to late 3rd rounder with your last 2nd round pick or your first 3rd round pick makes it a reach either way (let's say you probably won't be able to get the guy with the last 3rd round pick or the first 4th round pick). It's only one pick that separates the two.

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                • #9
                  Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                  This thread makes zero sense

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                  • #10
                    Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                    Who is saying they rank players by what round they go in? I'm trying to explain to you what it means when people say "reaching" in regards to the draft. If you have never heard that term I have to assume you are new to keeping up with drafts. Players get grades/round projections/draft value all the time. You also see it in mock draft debates regularly. Someone will say take a guy in the 2nd round, and someone will respond by saying he's a not a 2nd round value guy. When you have the last pick, it blends those grades a bit so someone will defend their pick saying "we may have to reach a bit". If your strategy is best available, that obviously becomes irrelevant.

                    While on the subject... Do you not think that teams project when they can get players and just go in hoping they can get whoever they want whenever they want? When we wanted to get Phillip Dillard we almost took him in the 3rd round. Dillard was projected as a 4th - 5th round guy. If Rolando McClain had been available we would have gone MLB in the first round, so it was a definite need (to replace Antonio Pierce). Jerry said himself that they almost took Dillard in the 3rd round, but thought he would still be available in the 4th round. They didn't think Chad Jones would be, so despite having Dillard rated very high at a need position, they decided to take Chad Jones and hope they could get Dillard in the 4th.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                      I guess it just a matter of how far someone will say the reach is. It's really weird to me to hear an NFL fan not understand what the term reaching is. If you have a need position, you may have to "reach" to get a player much sooner than he would otherwise go in the draft... when that happens it is called reaching. Although that is really just in terms of how it is perceived by those outside of the organization. Teams will have their own draft value they use to decide who to pick when and if they should trade, etc.

                      For example, everyone said the Vikings were "reaching" when they took Christian Ponder with their first pick: Mel Kiper: "The Vikings clearly need an answer at the quarterback position, but they reached for Ponder at No. 12. They clearly believe he's their guy long-term, but the draft is about
                      value too. When you saw Dalton land all the way down at No. 35, you had
                      to wonder if Ponder could have been had later. The Rudolph pick was a
                      pretty solid value and Ballard could be a good defensive lineman. The
                      Vikings also landed some needed help at cornerback and along the
                      offensive line. Minnesota reached for a quarterback, in my opinion, and
                      like Tennessee, still doesn't know who will start the season at
                      quarterback. However, the Vikings rebounded nicely on Days 2 and 3.

                      Here's a bleacher report article I just read the other day:
                      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ach-for-a-need


                      Teams reach for a need all the time in the NFL draft.



                      Even
                      if they are selecting early in the first round, we've seen numerous
                      occasions where teams address a need regardless of the prospects
                      available.



                      The Minnesota Vikings were a good example of that in 2011, when they drafted Christian Ponder at No. 12 overall.



                      Here are three teams who I see reaching for a need in the 2012 NFL draft.....






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                      • #12
                        Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                        In the 1st 3 rounds after they won their last Super Bowl they picked KP, TT, and Manningham. Where they reaching then?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                          [quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                          [quote user="slipknottin"]I dont understand how this thread is logical. Why would picking at 64 mean they have to reach?[/quote]




                          Guys that are projected to be third round picks that the Giants really like may not be around until pick #96. Therefore, they may consider grabbing someone with their 64th overall selection. Capeesh?

                          [/quote]

                          Thats not how it works. Guys arent rated just round 1, round 2 , round 3, etc. They are rated in a much more finite manner than that.




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                          • #14
                            Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                            [quote user="buddy33"]In the 1st 3 rounds after they won their last Super Bowl they picked KP, TT, and Manningham. Where they reaching then?[/quote]

                            No. And either way, it's hard to say when you don't know how the Giants rank players. We are known for going best available anyway.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Giants will be reaching between rounds 2 - 4

                              [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                              [quote user="slipknottin"]I dont understand how this thread is logical. Why would picking at 64 mean they have to reach?[/quote]




                              Guys that are projected to be third round picks that the Giants really like may not be around until pick #96. Therefore, they may consider grabbing someone with their 64th overall selection. Capeesh?

                              [/quote]

                              Thats not how it works. Guys arent rated just round 1, round 2 , round 3, etc. They are rated in a much more finite manner than that.

                              [/quote]

                              Yeah, I think I remember Reese or Ross mentioning that they rank players according to "Rows". Or maybe that's just the example they used to make it easier for the layman to understand.

                              The scouting staff will place a certain number of players in the first row (not nec. 32). Maybe just 5 or 6. . .maybe 15 in the later rounds. Each row theoretically has players with similar desirability. When it's time to pick, Reese will look and see which player he likes best in the highest occupied row. This helps balance the whole "Need vs. BPA" debate.

                              This system also helps Reese deal with trades in the heat of the draft. If there's 10 players in the highest "occupied" row, then JR might not mind trading down 8 spots. He gets an extra pick without sacrificing quality of the draftee.

                              I'm sure if I'm even close to understanding this system, it's still used more as a guide than anything else. But it's a very well researched and thought-out guide.



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