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  • tittletoshofner
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    The Myth of the 40 Time



    I really don't understand the origin and importance of the 40 yard time that everyone thinks is so special. How often does a linebacker on a given play run 40 yards (full speed as well). Ray Lewis's 40 time was 4.7 (maybe that's why he was like the 5th LB drafted that year after the likes of Reggie Brown who had exactly 0 tackles in the NFL). Perhaps a 10 yard burst speed might be helful in judging a linebacker. Well what about WR? They run 40 yards full out on a fly pattern. Well Darius Heywood Bey ran an incredible 4.30 and our own Hakeem Nicks ran amuch slower 4.49. How has that worked out for Oakland?





  • heavyhitter
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    Believe it or not, 40 times do matter to a certain extent. Whoever the poster was that said it was a measuring tool hit it on the head. Game films and live game scouting will always be the number one consideration for placing prospects in the draft though.

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  • heavyhitter
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  • slipknottin
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    [quote user="Kruunch"]

    I get the long jump part ... but vertical and "explosiveness"?[/quote]

    I dont get what you dont understand.


    the two jumping drills are the best indication of how quickly a guy can coil and explode.

    One is lateral, one is vertical, but both are very similar.

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  • Kruunch
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    [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Kruunch"]
    You'll have to explain to me how a vertical jump translates into explosiveness.[/quote]

    Vert and long jump are the two best tests to show instantaneous burst.

    40 is for long speed, the shuttle and cone drills show lateral speed and agility.[/quote]

    I get the long jump part ... but vertical and "explosiveness"?

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  • slipknottin
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    [quote user="Kruunch"]
    You'll have to explain to me how a vertical jump translates into explosiveness.[/quote]

    Vert and long jump are the two best tests to show instantaneous burst.

    40 is for long speed, the shuttle and cone drills show lateral speed and agility.

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  • LT_was_good
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    An extra 4/10 second makes no different in 40 time, just like an extra 4 mph makes no difference in a pitcher's fastball ... oh wait.


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  • NJAquaman
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    Its just a metric to distinguish similar players....

    We all know that speed kills so it is high on the list.

    Field/Tape speed and 40 speed are two different animals....

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  • NJAquaman
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    Its just a metric to distinguish similar players....

    We all know that speed kills so it is high on the list.

    Field/Tape speed and 40 speed are two different animals....

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  • buffyblue
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    [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="buffyblue"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="buffyblue"]
    Jerry Rice was quick but he was never a burner. The things that seperated him were his hands, ability to break tackles and his preparedness. He was always in great shape and he was so strong.

    Jerry Rice was the greatest reciever ever but not JUST because of his speed.[/quote]

    Fixed.[/quote]

    Dude save the know it all attitude for someone else.

    Jerry Rice had decent speed but he wasnít one of the faster WRs in the league. Part of the reason he worked so hard at everything else was because he couldnít just burn everyone to the ball.[/quote]

    Incorrect.[/quote]

    No I am correct. You are the one that is incorrect. You are obsolete.

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  • buffyblue
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    [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Marvelousmik"]cruz ran a 4.49 and i think hes one of the fastest/quickest guys in the NFL.
    [/quote]

    Cruz is explosive as hell. Evidenced by his ridiculous vert jump (41.5") which is one of the best recorded vert jumps by a WR in the past 5 seasons.

    But Cruz on the field doesnt seem to have elite long speed. More quick/shifty type speed. IMO, he plays like he runs in the mid 4.4s. So does Nicks for that matter. Neither is a pure burner.

    But you dont have to run 4.2s to be a big play guy in the NFL.[/quote]

    You'll have to explain to me how a vertical jump translates into explosiveness.[/quote] his ball skills certainly made him one of the most explosive recievers in the nfl at 18.7 yards per catch[/quote]

    Absolutely but that had little to do with his vertical (he hasn't been involved in a lot (if any) jump ball catches in either 2010 or 2011.

    40, 40 splits, broad jump, shuttle ... those are all evaluations into explosiveness for a receiver (in my mind). Vertical is nice to have, but having a huge vertical doesn't mean a lot for someone used as a slot receiver mostly.

    It's a nice measurable to have for sure ... just when I think of an "explosive" receiver (especially when I think of Cruz's type of explosiveness) I think of acceleration, change of direction, vision and hand strength / softness at the point of the catch.[/quote]

    Out jumping Asmaougha twice in the Philadelphia Eagles game is basically what brought Cruz to the mediaís attention.

    I think the point some folks are missing is that if someone isnít among the fastest WRs then they arenít quick. That is just not the case. Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks are both quick and fast. They are just not the fastest in the league. Jerry Rice was fast but he wasnít near the topr of the league in speed. H is speed was not what set him apart.

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  • Kruunch
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    [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Marvelousmik"]cruz ran a 4.49 and i think hes one of the fastest/quickest guys in the NFL.
    [/quote]

    Cruz is explosive as hell. Evidenced by his ridiculous vert jump (41.5") which is one of the best recorded vert jumps by a WR in the past 5 seasons.

    But Cruz on the field doesnt seem to have elite long speed. More quick/shifty type speed. IMO, he plays like he runs in the mid 4.4s. So does Nicks for that matter. Neither is a pure burner.

    But you dont have to run 4.2s to be a big play guy in the NFL.[/quote]

    You'll have to explain to me how a vertical jump translates into explosiveness.[/quote] his ball skills certainly made him one of the most explosive recievers in the nfl at 18.7 yards per catch[/quote]

    Absolutely but that had little to do with his vertical (he hasn't been involved in a lot (if any) jump ball catches in either 2010 or 2011.

    40, 40 splits, broad jump, shuttle ... those are all evaluations into explosiveness for a receiver (in my mind). Vertical is nice to have, but having a huge vertical doesn't mean a lot for someone used as a slot receiver mostly.

    It's a nice measurable to have for sure ... just when I think of an "explosive" receiver (especially when I think of Cruz's type of explosiveness) I think of acceleration, change of direction, vision and hand strength / softness at the point of the catch.

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  • juice33s
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    Re: The Myth of the 40 Time

    [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Marvelousmik"]cruz ran a 4.49 and i think hes one of the fastest/quickest guys in the NFL.
    [/quote]

    Cruz is explosive as hell. Evidenced by his ridiculous vert jump (41.5") which is one of the best recorded vert jumps by a WR in the past 5 seasons.

    But Cruz on the field doesnt seem to have elite long speed. More quick/shifty type speed. IMO, he plays like he runs in the mid 4.4s. So does Nicks for that matter. Neither is a pure burner.

    But you dont have to run 4.2s to be a big play guy in the NFL.[/quote]

    You'll have to explain to me how a vertical jump translates into explosiveness.[/quote] his ball skills certainly made him one of the most explosive recievers in the nfl at 18.7 yards per catch

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  • Kruunch
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    Re: The Myth of the 40 Time

    [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Marvelousmik"]cruz ran a 4.49 and i think hes one of the fastest/quickest guys in the NFL.
    [/quote]

    Cruz is explosive as hell. Evidenced by his ridiculous vert jump (41.5") which is one of the best recorded vert jumps by a WR in the past 5 seasons.

    But Cruz on the field doesnt seem to have elite long speed. More quick/shifty type speed. IMO, he plays like he runs in the mid 4.4s. So does Nicks for that matter. Neither is a pure burner.

    But you dont have to run 4.2s to be a big play guy in the NFL.[/quote]

    You'll have to explain to me how a vertical jump translates into explosiveness.

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  • slipknottin
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    Re: The Myth of the 40 Time

    [quote user="Marvelousmik"]cruz ran a 4.49 and i think hes one of the fastest/quickest guys in the NFL.
    [/quote]

    Cruz is explosive as hell. Evidenced by his ridiculous vert jump (41.5") which is one of the best recorded vert jumps by a WR in the past 5 seasons.

    But Cruz on the field doesnt seem to have elite long speed. More quick/shifty type speed. IMO, he plays like he runs in the mid 4.4s. So does Nicks for that matter. Neither is a pure burner.

    But you dont have to run 4.2s to be a big play guy in the NFL.

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