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  • #16
    Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

    [quote user="jax5338"]dalton should win rookie of the year. he's leading a team nobody thought was any good towards a playoff spot, with a fellow rookie at receiver and a pretty weak rushing game. all the while they play in one of the, if not the toughest division in the AFC and NFL.[/quote]

    I don't see how you make that case. It's not a MVP-type award, so I don't know how much the team performance applies.

    As far as stats go-

    TDs:
    Dalton 18
    Newton 26

    Pass Yards:
    Dalton 2,644
    Newton 3,297

    Rush Yards:
    Dalton 87
    Newton 518

    Yards/Attempt:
    Dalton 6.83
    Newton 7.98

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    • #17
      Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

      I got to take Luck.
      I think Newton will slow down a bit next year and be figured out by defenses.
      Luck wont be so easy to figure out and I expect him to be another Manning.
      Though the NFL should be stock full of NFL starting qbs next year.

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      • #18
        Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

        [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="jax5338"]dalton should win rookie of the year. he's leading a team nobody thought was any good towards a playoff spot, with a fellow rookie at receiver and a pretty weak rushing game. all the while they play in one of the, if not the toughest division in the AFC and NFL.[/quote]

        I don't see how you make that case. It's not a MVP-type award, so I don't know how much the team performance applies.

        As far as stats go-

        TDs:
        Dalton 18
        Newton 26

        Pass Yards:
        Dalton 2,644
        Newton 3,297

        Rush Yards:
        Dalton 87
        Newton 518

        Yards/Attempt:
        Dalton 6.83
        Newton 7.98[/quote]

        i should reiterate that i think dalton SHOULD win but i agree and think newton WILL win.

        the way i feel is that the award should go to the most valuable rookie, which i feel is dalton by a mile. cam just puts up pretty numbers if you ask me. scores a lot of short rushing TDs and benefits from garbage time yards but isnt as reliable a QB as dalton. just my opinion.

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        • #19
          Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

          Depends on the offense a west coast offense I much rather have Luck. A vertical offense like the Panthers run Cam is better for

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          • #20
            Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

            [quote user="jax5338"][quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="jax5338"]dalton should win rookie of the year. he's leading a team nobody thought was any good towards a playoff spot, with a fellow rookie at receiver and a pretty weak rushing game. all the while they play in one of the, if not the toughest division in the AFC and NFL.[/quote]

            I don't see how you make that case. It's not a MVP-type award, so I don't know how much the team performance applies.

            As far as stats go-

            TDs:
            Dalton 18
            Newton 26

            Pass Yards:
            Dalton 2,644
            Newton 3,297

            Rush Yards:
            Dalton 87
            Newton 518

            Yards/Attempt:
            Dalton 6.83
            Newton 7.98[/quote]

            i should reiterate that i think dalton SHOULD win but i agree and think newton WILL win.

            the way i feel is that the award should go to the most valuable rookie, which i feel is dalton by a mile. cam just puts up pretty numbers if you ask me. scores a lot of short rushing TDs and benefits from garbage time yards but isnt as reliable a QB as dalton. just my opinion.[/quote]
            +20....stats could be very misleading. He does put up tons of numbers and I take nothing away from the kid and I think in the future he could be better than big ben, but like you said, lots of garbage time points and his defense is usually on the field for a quick 1-2 and he's back out there.

            Not to mention Dalton has a rookie WR to throw to, not Steve Smith. And Cam also has a great o-line and 2 amazing RB's and 2 really good TE's. Overall as an offense, I think Cam has more weapons to work with. If we're talking about the Giants here, I would rather Dalton be our QB anyday over Cam.

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            • #21
              Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

              [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="jax5338"]dalton should win rookie of the year. he's leading a team nobody thought was any good towards a playoff spot, with a fellow rookie at receiver and a pretty weak rushing game. all the while they play in one of the, if not the toughest division in the AFC and NFL.[/quote]

              I don't see how you make that case. It's not a MVP-type award, so I don't know how much the team performance applies.

              As far as stats go-

              TDs:
              Dalton 18
              Newton 26

              Pass Yards:
              Dalton 2,644
              Newton 3,297

              Rush Yards:
              Dalton 87
              Newton 518

              Yards/Attempt:
              Dalton 6.83
              Newton 7.98[/quote]

              Personally I think it arguement is pointless. They are both having great rookie seasons and you cannot compare these 2 teams in a vacuum. Cam has way more weapons around him on offense than Dalton does. However, Dalton also has a better defense to help him out too.

              Statistically, they are not nearly as divided as you propose. You ommited some of the stats in Dalton's favor. Cams wins have come against some of the worst teams in the league(Indy, jax, Tampa, and Washington) Dalton has beaten better competition(Browns x 2 , bills , jags, colts, seahawks and titans).


              Either 1 makes a strong case. I think Cam may win it on hype alone, but Im not sure it would be right., especially if Dalton goes on a little run and makes the playoffs which is possible as they have 3 easy(ish) games left which would give them 10 wins.





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              • #22
                Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                When you break records like Cam is doing or you throw for 4000 yds your 1st year which Cam is gonna ultimately end up doing... hype isn't the reason you won an award.

                To all the people that thinks Cam's numbers are garbage time numbers, you better go check the Panthers schedule. They were competitive in all of their games besides the one against the Titans... the ATL game was closer than the score indicates. They could've easily beat GB, NO, Detroit & Minnesota.

                As far as Dalton making the playoffs... no way does Cincy, Baltimore & Pittsburg make it out of that division and until the Bengals can beat one of the bullies, they'll be the odd team out.

                I love how you guys are in denial... I find it quite amusing. I said my peace, now it's up to Newton to continue proving you all wrong.

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                • #23
                  Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                  Even if his numbers were in "garbage time"..pretty much every rookie QB to ever start in the league loses a bunch of games and is perpetually in "garbage time", yet they still weren't able to produce like cam.

                  Cam's a good player, he needs to learn how to slide though(among other things).

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                  • #24
                    Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                    [quote user="BurnerNYG"] no way does Cincy, Baltimore & Pittsburg make it out of that division and until the Bengals can beat one of the bullies, they'll be the odd team out.[/quote]

                    If the season ended right now, Cincy is in the playoffs. They hold the tie breaker with many of the other teams vieing for wildcard spots and they dont have a very hard remaining schedule.

                    The AFC north is easily the best division in football right now.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                      [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="BurnerNYG"] no way does Cincy, Baltimore & Pittsburg make it out of that division and until the Bengals can beat one of the bullies, they'll be the odd team out.[/quote]

                      If the season ended right now, Cincy is in the playoffs. They hold the tie breaker with many of the other teams vieing for wildcard spots and they dont have a very hard remaining schedule.

                      The AFC north is easily the best division in football right now.
                      [/quote]I think that'll be great if they make the playoffs and I'll be happy for Coach Lewis and the Bengals... the fans deserve it. I happen to like Andy Dalton... it only seemed like I was downgrading him because a few of the posters was trying to discredit Newton.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                        [quote user="NYfanatic"]I got to take Luck.
                        I think Newton will slow down a bit next year and be figured out by defenses.
                        Luck wont be so easy to figure out and I expect him to be another Manning.
                        Though the NFL should be stock full of NFL starting qbs next year.
                        [/quote]You been singing this same song since week one. Keep hope alive.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                          [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="jax5338"]dalton should win rookie of the year. he's leading a team nobody thought was any good towards a playoff spot, with a fellow rookie at receiver and a pretty weak rushing game. all the while they play in one of the, if not the toughest division in the AFC and NFL.[/quote]

                          I don't see how you make that case. It's not a MVP-type award, so I don't know how much the team performance applies.

                          As far as stats go-

                          TDs:
                          Dalton 18
                          Newton 26

                          Pass Yards:
                          Dalton 2,644
                          Newton 3,297

                          Rush Yards:
                          Dalton 87
                          Newton 518

                          Yards/Attempt:
                          Dalton 6.83
                          Newton 7.98[/quote]

                          Personally I think it arguement is pointless. They are both having great rookie seasons and you cannot compare these 2 teams in a vacuum. Cam has way more weapons around him on offense than Dalton does.* However, Dalton also has a better defense to help him out too.

                          Statistically, they are not nearly as divided as you propose. You ommited some of the stats in Dalton's favor.* Cams wins have come against some of the worst teams in the league(Indy, jax, Tampa, and Washington) Dalton has beaten better competition(Browns x 2 , bills , jags, colts, seahawks and titans).


                          Either 1 makes a strong case. I think Cam may win it on hype alone, but Im not sure it would be right., especially if Dalton goes on a little run and makes the playoffs which is possible as they have 3 easy(ish) games left which would give them 10 wins.





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                          In most of the losses Carolina has scored 20 or more points and had a lead in the 3rd or 4th quarter. The defense let them down every time. If you switched the Bengals defense with the Panthers, Dalton would still be a good player but I can guarantee we would not be having this conversation.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?



                            There totally different QB's. Luck is the ideal Bill Walsh West Coast QB. People keep saying Peyton Manning but Luck is closer to the skill set of Aaron Rodgers in a bigger body. He is very accurate short range to meduim range passer.Luck has great timing ,accuracy ,and mobility and this system highlights all these traits




                            Cam Newton isa better fitfor a Don Coryellbase system. He is the superior vertical passer of the 2 QB's. Cam can get the ball down the field and is an exceptional deep ball thrower.Rob Chudzinski's offense fully uses Cams gifts to the max.Robs offense is a modified AC system that uses the Tight End a lot more. Not surprising since he was the Miami Hurricanes TE coach when they were putting out Bubba Franks ,Jeremy Shockey and Kellen Winslow.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                              [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="jax5338"]dalton should win rookie of the year. he's leading a team nobody thought was any good towards a playoff spot, with a fellow rookie at receiver and a pretty weak rushing game. all the while they play in one of the, if not the toughest division in the AFC and NFL.[/quote]

                              I don't see how you make that case. It's not a MVP-type award, so I don't know how much the team performance applies.

                              As far as stats go-

                              TDs:
                              Dalton 18
                              Newton 26

                              Pass Yards:
                              Dalton 2,644
                              Newton 3,297

                              Rush Yards:
                              Dalton 87
                              Newton 518

                              Yards/Attempt:
                              Dalton 6.83
                              Newton 7.98[/quote]

                              Personally I think it arguement is pointless. They are both having great rookie seasons and you cannot compare these 2 teams in a vacuum. Cam has way more weapons around him on offense than Dalton does. However, Dalton also has a better defense to help him out too.

                              Statistically, they are not nearly as divided as you propose. You ommited some of the stats in Dalton's favor. Cams wins have come against some of the worst teams in the league(Indy, jax, Tampa, and Washington) Dalton has beaten better competition(Browns x 2 , bills , jags, colts, seahawks and titans).


                              Either 1 makes a strong case. I think Cam may win it on hype alone, but Im not sure it would be right., especially if Dalton goes on a little run and makes the playoffs which is possible as they have 3 easy(ish) games left which would give them 10 wins.





                              [/quote]

                              In most of the losses Carolina has scored 20 or more points and had a lead in the 3rd or 4th quarter. The defense let them down every time. If you switched the Bengals defense with the Panthers, Dalton would still be a good player but I can guarantee we would not be having this conversation.[/quote]

                              Well, your prolly right, if they switched defenses Cam would have more wins.

                              But again,your ignoring the other side of the equation. How good would Dalton be if he had Carolina's offensive weapons around him?

                              It goes both ways.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

                                [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="jax5338"]dalton should win rookie of the year. he's leading a team nobody thought was any good towards a playoff spot, with a fellow rookie at receiver and a pretty weak rushing game. all the while they play in one of the, if not the toughest division in the AFC and NFL.[/quote]

                                I don't see how you make that case. It's not a MVP-type award, so I don't know how much the team performance applies.

                                As far as stats go-

                                TDs:
                                Dalton 18
                                Newton 26

                                Pass Yards:
                                Dalton 2,644
                                Newton 3,297

                                Rush Yards:
                                Dalton 87
                                Newton 518

                                Yards/Attempt:
                                Dalton 6.83
                                Newton 7.98[/quote]

                                Personally I think it arguement is pointless. They are both having great rookie seasons and you cannot compare these 2 teams in a vacuum. Cam has way more weapons around him on offense than Dalton does.* However, Dalton also has a better defense to help him out too.

                                Statistically, they are not nearly as divided as you propose. You ommited some of the stats in Dalton's favor.* Cams wins have come against some of the worst teams in the league(Indy, jax, Tampa, and Washington) Dalton has beaten better competition(Browns x 2 , bills , jags, colts, seahawks and titans).


                                Either 1 makes a strong case. I think Cam may win it on hype alone, but Im not sure it would be right., especially if Dalton goes on a little run and makes the playoffs which is possible as they have 3 easy(ish) games left which would give them 10 wins.





                                [/quote]

                                In most of the losses Carolina has scored 20 or more points and had a lead in the 3rd or 4th quarter. The defense let them down every time. If you switched the Bengals defense with the Panthers, Dalton would still be a good player but I can guarantee we would not be having this conversation.[/quote]

                                Well, your prolly right, if they switched defenses Cam would have more wins.

                                *But again,your ignoring the other side of the equation. How good would Dalton be if he had Carolina's offensive weapons around him?

                                It goes both ways.

                                [/quote]

                                How much of a "weapon" did everyone think Steve Smith was at this point in his career before he had Cam at QB?

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