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  • #16
    Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

    [quote user="NewYorkSwagg"]If Fleener is there we don't need him, bro we can draft Egnew from Missouri in the 4th round. He is bigger faster and catch better why waste a pick on Fleener when you can get the same type of player in the 4th round. Egnew stats dropped this year because he had a new QB and still had over 500 yards. Also the year before he had 900+ with Gabbert at QB who is now with Jacksonville Jags.[/quote]I don't like Egnew at all.

    I think Coffman was even a better prospect than Egnew.
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    • #17
      Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

      [quote user="gmen0820"]BTW, the article this was pulled out of has nothing to do with Fleener.[/quote]

      exactly.

      This absolutely means nothing about Fleener.

      First, you have to make the conclusion that this article is implying the giants dont think Fleener can block.

      Second you have to make the conclusion that this article means Beckum was at some point a wonderful blocker.

      Third you have to make the conclusion that Pope believes Fleener can never become a good blocker.

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      • #18
        Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

        [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="gmen0820"]BTW, the article this was pulled out of has nothing to do with Fleener.[/quote]

        exactly.

        This absolutely means nothing about Fleener.

        First, you have to make the conclusion that this article is implying the giants dont think Fleener can block.

        Second you have to make the conclusion that this article means Beckum was at some point a wonderful blocker.

        Third you have to make the conclusion that Pope believes Fleener can never become a good blocker.[/quote] I think Fleener gets picked before the Giants anyway.

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        • #19
          Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

          [quote user="gmen0820"][quote user="NewYorkSwagg"]If Fleener is there we don't need him, bro we can draft Egnew from Missouri in the 4th round. He is bigger faster and catch better why waste a pick on Fleener when you can get the same type of player in the 4th round. Egnew stats dropped this year because he had a new QB and still had over 500 yards. Also the year before he had 900+ with Gabbert at QB who is now with Jacksonville Jags.[/quote]I don't like Egnew at all.

          I think Coffman was even a better prospect than Egnew.[/quote]Michael "Bubble Screen " Egnew. He has the most padded numbers of any player in this draft. Im not even exaggerating by saying at least half of his catches are bubble screens. Why do u think Fleeners YPC doubles Egnews. I dont even know how u can grade Egnew properly. All he does is stand in the slot catches a bubble screen runs 5 yards and gets tackled. At least with Fleener I see him running the route tree getting separation on CB's at 6'6 247.Fleener is so much more fluid and explosive its not even close

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          • #20
            Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

            [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="gmen0820"]BTW, the article this was pulled out of has nothing to do with Fleener.[/quote]

            exactly.

            This absolutely means nothing about Fleener.

            First, you have to make the conclusion that this article is implying the giants dont think Fleener can block.

            Second you have to make the conclusion that this article means Beckum was at some point a wonderful blocker.

            Third you have to make the conclusion that Pope believes Fleener can never become a good blocker.[/quote] I think Fleener gets picked before the Giants anyway.[/quote]

            Id say Houston takes him in the first, Allen on the other hand should NOT be taken with our first. He would be decent value at then end of round 2

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            • #21
              Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

              [quote user="Neverend"][quote user="gmen0820"]BTW, the article this was pulled out of has nothing to do with Fleener.[/quote]

              Exactly.. i read this in a peter king excerpt about the giants.

              cute little attempt by the OP[/quote]

              This is what I read from Ralph V on twitter and thought Pope said it about Fleener. If not, I am sorry.

              For those hoping the Giants draft Coby Fleener, the @SI_PeterKing story includes this quote from TE coach Mike Pope ...

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              • #22
                Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

                [quote user="AllTuckedUp"][quote user="Neverend"][quote user="gmen0820"]BTW, the article this was pulled out of has nothing to do with Fleener.[/quote]

                Exactly.. i read this in a peter king excerpt about the giants.

                cute little attempt by the OP[/quote]

                This is what I read from Ralph V on twitter and thought Pope said it about Fleener. If not, I am sorry.

                For those hoping the Giants draft Coby Fleener, the @SI_PeterKing story includes this quote from TE coach Mike Pope ...[/quote]

                Yeah but I think this quote is being taken out of context.

                Kevin Boss was NOT a run blocking tight end coming out of college, I remember him lacking pretty bad in that area.

                Also, Beckum was obviously not good at run blocking at all coming out, he was known strictly as a H back. Furthermore we all know Shockey was terrible at run blocking coming out of college.

                I seriously cant remember the last time the Giants drafted a run blocking tight end? I think Pope knows he can coach a guy to learn how to block but pass catching is something you have or you don't.


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                • #23
                  Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

                  [quote user="AllTuckedUp"]"If it's gonna snow and the wind's gonna blow, we gotta run the ball, and we need tight ends who can block." ... As you likely know, there are some questions (from scouts) about Fleener's blocking ability. He's much more of a receiver than a blocker. In fact, some scouts see him as more of a WR than a TE.

                  Looks like we would go with Dwayne Allen first?[/quote]

                  We have two blocking TEs (Pascoe, Bennet).

                  We don't have a pass threat TE.

                  Draw your own conclusions.
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                  • #24
                    Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

                    [quote user="giantsfan420"]and we already have a great blocking TE in Bennett...[/quote]

                    finally i find myself agreeing with you. thanks for this, will use this point in anti-fleener arguments

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                    • #25
                      Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

                      Exactly why we get a TE in the 6th round. We dont care much about our TEs, as evident with Boss, Ballard, Pascoe ect...

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                      • #26
                        Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

                        [quote user="TuckYou"]Exactly why we get a TE in the 6th round. We dont care much about our TEs, as evident with Boss, Ballard, Pascoe ect...[/quote]

                        Beckum was a 3rd round pick tho.

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                        • #27
                          Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

                          [quote user="B&RWarrior"][quote user="AllTuckedUp"]"If it's gonna snow and the wind's gonna blow, we gotta run the ball, and we need tight ends who can block." ... As you likely know, there are some questions (from scouts) about Fleener's blocking ability. He's much more of a receiver than a blocker. In fact, some scouts see him as more of a WR than a TE. Looks like we would go with Dwayne Allen first?[/quote] Not necessarily, we drafted Beckum he's not much of a blocker. Boss wasn't a great blocker either.[/quote]Beckum's not much of an anything! []
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                          • #28
                            Re: TE COACH POPE ON COBY FLEENER

                            I am confident that if we did get a guy like Fleener or Allen, Coach Pope would get a lot out of them. Fleener would be a terrific pick. With the rules the way they are in the passing game now, talented athletes in the passing game are putting up huge numbers.

                            One thing you can be sure of, Reese won;t reach for anyone. He'll pick to the strength of the board. I am hoping we have a good DE or Corner, or maybe a RB for our first pick.

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