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    [quote user="lawl"][quote user="GMENAGAIN"]


    [quote user="lawl"][quote user="slipknottin"]Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.[/quote] This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.[/quote]




    We all know that you hate drafting RB's high, but when is the first round that you think that a team should consider drafting a RB?




    [/quote] If you have a great qb. You should just put random rbs on the team. More importantly just a Guy that can catch balls.teams with young qbs should be the ones that target rbs early to help his development. I wanted Demarco Murray and I wanted Taiwan Jones. Middle round rbs will provide uswith more than enough impact[/quote]




    What do you consider "middle rounds" . . . . the third or later?




    Would you ever spend a second rounder on a RB?

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      Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

      Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

      Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
      Raiders- McFadden
      Patriots - Maroney
      Panthers - Stewart
      Steelers - Mendenhall
      Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
      Colts- Donald Brown
      Bears - Benson
      Cardinals - Wells
      Saints - Ingram

      Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers

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        [quote user="slipknottin"]Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

        Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

        Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
        Raiders- McFadden
        Patriots - Maroney
        Panthers - Stewart
        Steelers - Mendenhall
        Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
        Colts- Donald Brown
        Bears - Benson
        Cardinals - Wells
        Saints - Ingram

        Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers[/quote]

        Its pretty much impossible to argue those stats.




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          Packers last first round HB was in 1990, Eagles last 1st round HB was 1986.

          One could potentially make the argument that unless the Packers current backs improve a ton, they may be looking at taking a HB in the first the next couple drafts.

          Eagles have been lucky to find two very good Hbs, Westbrook in the 3rd, McCoy in the 2nd.

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            [quote user="slipknottin"]Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

            Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

            Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
            Raiders- McFadden
            Patriots - Maroney
            Panthers - Stewart
            Steelers - Mendenhall
            Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
            Colts- Donald Brown
            Bears - Benson
            Cardinals - Wells
            Saints - Ingram

            Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers[/quote]

            Only the steelers won with their new rb.

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              [quote user="slipknottin"]Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

              Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

              Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
              Raiders- McFadden
              Patriots - Maroney
              Panthers - Stewart
              Steelers - Mendenhall
              Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
              Colts- Donald Brown
              Bears - Benson
              Cardinals - Wells
              Saints - Ingram

              Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers[/quote]

              Only the steelers won with their new rb.

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                [quote user="lawl"]

                Only the steelers won with their new rb.[/quote]

                but almost all the teams who went to a SB thought HB was important enough a position to invest a first round pick

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                  [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="lawl"]

                  Only the steelers won with their new rb.[/quote]

                  but almost all the teams who went to a SB thought HB was important enough a position to invest a first round pick[/quote]

                  And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

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                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                      [quote user="lawl"]

                      And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?[/quote]

                      yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

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                        [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="lawl"]

                        And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?[/quote]

                        yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?[/quote]

                        most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

                        Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.

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                          [quote user="Morehead State"]

                          [quote user="lawl"]Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.[/quote]




                          You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels.* (Or depths)




                          Dissapointed in you Lawl.

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                          Wow, we agree almost on everything except when it comes to Osi.
                          Originally posted by PennState1
                          In and around the end zone and on crucial plays, the ball should go to one of our 3 receivers and no one else if at all possible.

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                            [quote user="lawl"]

                            Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.[/quote]

                            Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

                            Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

                            People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open market at the same time.

                            Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.
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                              [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="lawl"]

                              Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.[/quote]

                              Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

                              Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

                              People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

                              Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.
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                              Giants always extend their own guys that perform great. Nicks and jpp are next in line

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                                [quote user="lawl"][quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="lawl"]

                                Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.[/quote]

                                Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

                                Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

                                People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open market at the same time.

                                Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.
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                                Giants always extend their own guys that perform great. Nicks and jpp are next in line[/quote]

                                That really has nothing to do with anything I said. The league changed with the new CBA.

                                1) You can no longer assume the salary cap will go up every yearand you will have room to resign them. It wont go up every year like it did prior.

                                2) You can no longer bank on restricted free agency to allow you to force other teams to overpay in order to take your good players who have yet to resign away from you . The Giants have always depended rather heavily on restricted free agency, that will have to change.

                                There is a reason there were 3 running backs taken in the 1st round this year and it has a LOT to do with these changes. Teams will no longer only draft guys for the long term since they cannot guarantee that a player will be with their team for the long term. 1 of the main reasons teams avoided drafting Rbs was because they do tend to have shorter careers.That no longer matters since , as I said, many teams will have to draft mainly for the short term or at least the term of a rookie contract. After that, the player can now leave if he so chooses and there is nothing a team can do about it.

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