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    [quote user="fletch842"]personally, I liked Glenn here, but we certainly needed a back, and he fits the bill. Running back is one of the simplest positions to work in, especially if he understands pass protection. We could get immediate production here.[/quote]
    I couldn't believe the Glenn dropped, but if the FO feels that Wilson, who is obviously is a skill player, is the real deal then I've got no problem with it.

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      [quote user="lawl"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="lawl"]

      And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?[/quote]

      yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?[/quote]

      most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

      Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.[/quote]

      But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?

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        [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="lawl"]

        Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.[/quote]

        Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

        Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

        People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

        Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.
        [/quote]

        I tend to agree with you here.

        I think teams are quickly approaching a first contract only mentality.
        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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          [quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="lawl"]

          Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.[/quote]

          Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

          Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

          People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

          Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.
          [/quote]

          I tend to agree with you here.

          I think teams are quickly approaching a first contract only mentality.[/quote]

          What he's saying makes sense. No doubt.

          But this is the giants. I'm fully confident that if Wilson plays at a high level, we will pay him. Its just how our organization does business. We have extended both ab and Jacobs neither of which will likely perform to it. Most rbs do not play as well they're second contract. Be it injury or wear and tear. Its just how it is, and its one of the reasons that I do not like thee pick

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            [quote user="Spizi"][quote user="lawl"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="lawl"]

            And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?[/quote]

            yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?[/quote]

            most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

            Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.[/quote]

            But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?[/quote]
            a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players. Glenn has a much higher chance of playing longer for us at a higher level of play as well. I surmise this from typical positional lifetime in the NFL and that Glenn was higher on or board than Wilson.

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              [quote user="lawl"][quote user="Spizi"][quote user="lawl"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="lawl"]

              And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?[/quote]

              yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?[/quote]

              most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

              Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.[/quote]

              But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?[/quote]
              a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players. [/quote]

              I agree. We do try to resign our guys. The problem is, if you draft well, like we also tend to do, resigning all your good players becomes an near impossibility under the new system. Previously, restricted free agency to allowed you to match contracts or recieve draft picks for their being signed away from your team. Now, players just leave.

              Furthermore, its about no longer having control. While we may want to resign all our good players, ultimately, the decision is up to the players now. Many players prefer to hit free agency and gamble on getting a skyhigh Al Davis , Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder contract offer in free agency. Franchise tag aside, we have no way of being assured of keeping our guys for longer than their rookie contracts. That loss of control was 1 of the major sticky points in the CBA talks last summer. The players won on that front and teams now have to adjust their strategy for the new NFL.


              As far as Glenn goes, if he was higher on our board we would have selected him. I said pre draft he was the guy I wanted to drop to us. He did and we passed on him, as did a number of teams. I can only assume the GMs had info I did not. But, considering how he fell I think it is safe to say he was not higher.

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                [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="lawl"][quote user="Spizi"][quote user="lawl"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="lawl"]

                And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?[/quote]

                yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?[/quote]

                most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

                Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.[/quote]

                But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?[/quote]
                a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players. [/quote]

                I agree. We do try to resign our guys. The problem is, if you draft well, like we also tend to do, resigning all your good players becomes an near impossibility under the new system. Previously, restricted free agency to allowed you to match contracts or recieve draft picks for their being signed away from your team. Now, players just leave.

                Furthermore, its about no longer having control.* While we may want to resign all our good players, ultimately, the decision is up to the players now. Many players prefer to hit free agency and gamble on getting a skyhigh* Al Davis , Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder contract offer in free agency.* Franchise tag aside, we have no way of being assured of keeping our guys for longer than their rookie contracts. That loss of control was 1 of the major sticky points in the CBA talks last summer. The players won on that front and teams now have to adjust their strategy for the new NFL.


                As far as Glenn goes, if he was higher on our board we would have selected him. I said pre draft he was the guy I wanted to drop to us. He did and we passed on him, as did a number of teams. I can only assume the GMs had info I did not. But, considering how he fell I think it is safe to say he was not higher.

                [/quote]

                Garafalo said they had Glenn higher but they considered Wilson a bigger need. For what its worth

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                  [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="lawl"][quote user="Spizi"][quote user="lawl"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="lawl"]

                  And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?[/quote]

                  yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?[/quote]

                  most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

                  Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.[/quote]

                  But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?[/quote]
                  a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players. [/quote]

                  I agree. We do try to resign our guys. The problem is, if you draft well, like we also tend to do, resigning all your good players becomes an near impossibility under the new system. Previously, restricted free agency to allowed you to match contracts or recieve draft picks for their being signed away from your team. Now, players just leave.

                  Furthermore, its about no longer having control.* While we may want to resign all our good players, ultimately, the decision is up to the players now. Many players prefer to hit free agency and gamble on getting a skyhigh* Al Davis , Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder contract offer in free agency.* Franchise tag aside, we have no way of being assured of keeping our guys for longer than their rookie contracts. That loss of control was 1 of the major sticky points in the CBA talks last summer. The players won on that front and teams now have to adjust their strategy for the new NFL.


                  As far as Glenn goes, if he was higher on our board we would have selected him. I said pre draft he was the guy I wanted to drop to us. He did and we passed on him, as did a number of teams. I can only assume the GMs had info I did not. But, considering how he fell I think it is safe to say he was not higher.

                  [/quote]

                  Garafalo said they had Glenn higher but they considered Wilson a bigger need. For what its worth.

                  I'm at work so don't think i'm ignoring the rest of the post

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                    [quote user="lawl"][quote user="Kruunch"][quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="lawl"]

                    Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.[/quote]

                    Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

                    Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

                    People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

                    Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.
                    [/quote]

                    I tend to agree with you here.

                    I think teams are quickly approaching a first contract only mentality.[/quote]

                    What he's saying makes sense. No doubt.

                    But this is the giants. I'm fully confident that if Wilson plays at a high level, we will pay him. Its just how our organization does business. We have extended both ab and Jacobs neither of which will likely perform to it. Most rbs do not play as well they're second contract. Be it injury or wear and tear. Its just how it is, and its one of the reasons that I do not like thee pick[/quote]

                    That's a bit of generalization.

                    We extended AB and Jacobs but neither commanded top dollar.

                    We didn't extend Boss or Smith although we tried to for almost nothing.

                    We let MM and Ross walk away completely.

                    The Giants extend those they feel make financial sense to (hence all the Osi hooplah).

                    If Wilson is as good as Forte there is a good chance we let him walk if he's looking for $8 mil+ a year.

                    Second contracts are up to the player as much as the team looking to re-sign them.

                    RE Glenn: He was rated SLIGHTLY higher on the Giants boards. Not enough to make a measurable difference (that was according to JR).
                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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