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  • #16
    Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
    I am not doubting him as a player. He is a sick player. He is as instinctive a player as has come out in a few years. But, in the NFL he will play 1 position. Like Troy P, who he was compared to above, Tyrann plays a bunch of positions in college, he finds his way into almost every play,and is an insane ball hawk.

    But, Troy was 206 LBs coming out of college(that's 30 more than Tyrann) and, despite being used all over the defense in college, he was drafted to play safety in the NFL. Tyrann could add weight but there is no guarantee he can do it and remain fast and he flat out cannot play NFL safety at 176 lbs. Troy ran a 4.33 coming out of college at 206lbs. So while he wasn't ideal size at only 5'10", he had a stout build and fantastic speed. Its unknown if Tyrann can add 30ish lbs and still keep his speed.

    This year will be his determining year because LSU will likely keep him at the CB position moreso than last year since he is their best CB. He will be lined up against other team's #1 WRs, something he hasn't done in the past. People forget he was just a sophomore last year, that can explain a lot of the coverage mistakes he made. I suspect this year his stats may drop off a little, because he will be lined up on an island more, but I expect his NFL value will go up as teams get to see this kid do what NFL teams want him to do, and that is play corner.
    So where would you place Mathieu among the cornerback prospects and do you think he deserves a 1st round grade at that position?

    Personally, I think he'd make a fantastic FS safety with the importance put on coverage in today's game. His speed, quickness and agility allows him to cover wayyy more ground then say Reid, McDonald and Lester can. Not to mention with his skillset as a corner he could also come down and play the Nickel where he's thrived in the LSU defense.

    I just see him having more success in that type of role then say being isolated on the outside against the likes of Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Brandon Marshall, or being purely a nickel corner where he'd only be a part time player.

    Just think of his playing style, does it remind you of guys like Ed Reed, Polamalu and Charles Woodson (Yes I know he's listed as a corner, but his position is unique to the NFL) or guys like Revis, Asomugha, and Webster?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by juice33s View Post
      So where would you place Mathieu among the cornerback prospects and do you think he deserves a 1st round grade at that position?

      Personally, I think he'd make a fantastic FS safety with the importance put on coverage in today's game. His speed, quickness and agility allows him to cover wayyy more ground then say Reid, McDonald and Lester can. Not to mention with his skillset as a corner he could also come down and play the Nickel where he's thrived in the LSU defense.

      I just see him having more success in that type of role then say being isolated on the outside against the likes of Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Brandon Marshall, or being purely a nickel corner where he'd only be a part time player.

      Just think of his playing style, does it remind you of guys like Ed Reed, Polamalu and Charles Woodson (Yes I know he's listed as a corner, but his position is unique to the NFL) or guys like Revis, Asomugha, and Webster?
      You are right he will never be a guy you line up on a Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz etc. But, if he has a good year this year when being asked to play more of a cover role in his defense, then he can be a mid 1st round cornerback. Btw, all of this is assuming LSU is actually listing him at his actual size(this is not a given lately.)

      I think there are better NFL prospects at the position going into next year. In fact, there are some good big corners coming out in 2013. NFL scouts like guys with man experience and Xavier Rhodes and especially David Amerson. Amerson is every bit the ball hawk Tyronn was last year. Another highly touted guy is Johnthan Banks who I love. These are 3 players who opposing teams absolutely will avoid next year and most expect a dropoff in stats because of it. These are guys that can line up against bigger stronger outside WRs. I expect them to be 3 of the most coveted guys in the draft.

      The thing Mathieu has going for him is I do think teams will test him at the CB position.With his size(5'9 175), they have to. Remember, this is a guy with measurables almost identical to Jayron Hosely. Like Hosely, Mathieu also failed a drug test in college. Hosely was a good ball hawk, but few can compare to Mathieu. Both were good return men, but Mathieu also gets that edge as well. However, few would argue Jayron was a better pure cover corner, though Mathieu has an opportunity this year to show himself in that regard.

      Just being honest here, I think Mathieu has some problems as a pro prospects if he doesnt show thos cover skills. I could legitely see about 5 others CBs vault ahead of Tyronn if he doesnt show himself well as a corner. I do however, think that because of his ball hawk ability that he would be a last 1st round talent if the draft were tomorrow. If he can have a great year next year I think he could be a mid 1st rounder. But, he has to prove that the ONLY bad thing anyone can say about him is he is small. As it is now, he is small, with questionable cover skills and that is a bad combo for an NFL defensive back. I am certain NFL scouts would gladly accept a dropoff in the takeaways if Tyronn could show more cover skills. He is a proven ball hawk, he is not a proven cover player.

      Even tho he has a great skillset , some guys just arent big enough to play safety in the NFL and I do think Mathieu falls in this category. Safety, after all, has to go up for jump balls with big outside WRs as much if not more than CBs. As tough as he is, I do not want to see this kid going up against a Cavlin Johnson for a jump ball or a Gronkowski in the endzone, which is exactly what every opposing ofense would try to set up. That is what safety's have to do. I also dont want to see him have to consistently tackle a guy who might have 100lbs on him in the open field. However, if he shows he can cover, I would love to see a ball hawk like that line up over a guy like Desean Jackson or Steve Smith(carolina's version). Smaller, quicker Dbs do have a place in the league, if they can cover.
      Last edited by BlueSanta; 07-29-2012, 05:19 AM.
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      • #18
        Honey Badger.. this guy is always around the ball

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        • #19
          Should of posted this awhile ago

          Eric Reid vs 7 Teams




          Tyrann Mathieu

          vs Ark



          vs Georgia

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          • #20
            vs WV


            vs Tenn and Florida




            This is the Video that shows Tyrann's issue with bigger stronger receivers. 6'3 215 pound Darick Rodgers gets off the press with ease and burns him

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            • #21
              Well this is a moot argument. Mathieu is being dismissed from school for possible failed drug test. his third fail drug test; smfh the kid was so promising could of come out and enter the draft this year and be a top 15 pick.

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              • #22
                He was never a top 15 pick. He wasn't even eligible for the draft. He was only a true sophomore last season.

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