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  • Eric Reid vs Tyrann Mathieu

    Who you guys taking and would you spend a first rounder on the Honey badger?

    Personally I think Mathieu projects as a Safety at the next level, too short and doesn't have the pure cover skills to play corner. But I do love his play making ability and I think he could thrive as a FS or in a Hybrid role similar to Charles Woodson.

    Reid to me is a fantastic in the box safety but isn't dynamic enough in coverage to over take Mathieu....Plus with Mathieu you get a fantastic special teams player.

    I'd take Mathieu mid first as I think he has Troy Polamalu type potential
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  • #2
    Originally posted by juice33s View Post
    Personally I think Mathieu projects as a Safety at the next level
    I say this too...the guy is a play-maker and he's more valuable imo roaming and used on safety blitz's. The only thing I can see hurting him is covering TE's because of his size, but the guy is feisty and should compete enough.
    "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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    • #3
      I do not like small players at all

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      • #4
        I personally think Matthieu's perfect as a cover 2 system corner or nickel cb. I think he's worth a first, some team will look at the likes of Brandon Flowers and take him, I doubt it will be the Giants though as they do value size.

        However, I want TJ McDonald. Pair him next to Philips. KP/TJ will be my 2013 chant.

        Side note, I'd stab someone in the neck for David Amerson. He can be one of the better corner prospects in some time.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
          I personally think Matthieu's perfect as a cover 2 system corner or nickel cb. I think he's worth a first, some team will look at the likes of Brandon Flowers and take him, I doubt it will be the Giants though as they do value size.

          However, I want TJ McDonald. Pair him next to Philips. KP/TJ will be my 2013 chant.

          Side note, I'd stab someone in the neck for David Amerson. He can be one of the better corner prospects in some time.
          i would say they VALUE size, but don't solely pick based on size (see Jayron Hosley: 5'9")

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          • #6
            Jayron was in the end of the third round. He's not projecting as one of the outside corners.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
              I personally think Matthieu's perfect as a cover 2 system corner or nickel cb. I think he's worth a first, some team will look at the likes of Brandon Flowers and take him, I doubt it will be the Giants though as they do value size.

              However, I want TJ McDonald. Pair him next to Philips. KP/TJ will be my 2013 chant.

              Side note, I'd stab someone in the neck for David Amerson. He can be one of the better corner prospects in some time.
              KP will be a FA at the end of the year so depending on what kind of contract he's looking for we could be looking to replace him with a Reid, McDonald or Matheiu

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              • #8
                That I do worry about. I'd rather cut Rolle in favor of KP, but that only saves around 2.25 mil with 4.75mil in dead money due to the restructures. Here's to hoping for lucrative television deals and increased revenue.

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                • #9
                  I do not think Matieu projects to safety at all and if he does project there, then he is certainly not a1st round pick at that position.

                  He is likely a 1st round talent at Cb and on of the best defensive players in college football at cornerback, but not at safety where he would be 1 of the smallest , if not the smallest, safety in the league and would come into the league with no experience at the position.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                    I do not think Matieu projects to safety at all and if he does project there, then he is certainly not a1st round pick at that position.

                    He is likely a 1st round talent at Cb and on of the best defensive players in college football at cornerback, but not at safety where he would be 1 of the smallest , if not the smallest, safety in the league and would come into the league with no experience at the position.
                    He'll at least be taller than Bob Sanders. But the way he plays I can see him making the transition to safety...It's not that hard for CB's who study the same film as all DB's to convert as people think.

                    But I agree he'll likely be drafted as a corner but I can see him being more successful down the line at safety.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by titwio View Post
                      He'll at least be taller than Bob Sanders. But the way he plays I can see him making the transition to safety...It's not that hard for CB's who study the same film as all DB's to convert as people think.

                      But I agree he'll likely be drafted as a corner but I can see him being more successful down the line at safety.
                      He is a half inch taller than Sanders and 30 lbs lighter. He could add weight but that doesnt mean he will suddenly become Bob Sanders either.

                      Furthermore,about Bob Sanders, he is a guy who: has Averaged less than 7 games per season over his 8 year career, a guy who has finished as many season on the IR as he has off the IR, has never once played a full season, has only had 2 good years in the NFL out of 8 which happened to be the only 2 years he played more than 6 games. and lastly, a guy who was picked in the 2nd round. Do you think mentioning his name helps or hurts your your argument that Mathieu will be considered a 1st round talent at safety? Personally, I kinda feel like you just proved my point for me and I think most NFL teams would admit that Bob Sanders was too small to be a safety in the NFL and his durability suffered for it.

                      I just do not see him being selected by a team to play safety prior to him being selected by a team to play corner. He is a FAR better prospect at corner. Teams need 3 good corners now since for most teams the nickle defense is on the field more than 60% of the time. The only way I see him being considered a safety 1st is if he runs a horrible 40 at the combine. Even then, he still wouldn't be considered a 1st round safety talent.
                      Last edited by BlueSanta; 07-27-2012, 06:17 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                        He is a half inch taller than Sanders and 30 lbs lighter. He could add weight but that doesnt mean he will suddenly become Bob Sanders either.

                        Furthermore,about Bob Sanders, he is a guy who: has Averaged less than 7 games per season over his 8 year career, a guy who has finished as many season on the IR as he has off the IR, has never once played a full season, has only had 2 good years in the NFL out of 8 which happened to be the only 2 years he played more than 6 games. and lastly, a guy who was picked in the 2nd round. Do you think mentioning his name helps or hurts your your argument that Mathieu will be considered a 1st round talent at safety? Personally, I kinda feel like you just proved my point for me and I think most NFL teams would admit that Bob Sanders was too small to be a safety in the NFL and his durability suffered for it.

                        I just do not see him being selected by a team to play safety prior to him being selected by a team to play corner. He is a FAR better prospect at corner. Teams need 3 good corners now since for most teams the nickle defense is on the field more than 60% of the time. The only way I see him being considered a safety 1st is if he runs a horrible 40 at the combine. Even then, he still wouldn't be considered a 1st round safety talent.
                        One problem was I wasn't arguing or making a case to prove you wrong. I was giving my opinion based on his skill-set that I see him being more successful down the line at safety. The "he'll at least be taller than Bob Sanders" meant nothing but a reminder that Sanders was a small safety too.

                        I for one wasn't too impressed by him at corner. All his splash plays were made more on ST's, returns, block punts, and blitz's....at least based on the games I saw. He's good at corner..not elite and with his size I don't see him as first round material at CB. Not yet anyway. He could improve this season though and change my mind.

                        His overall skill set though is what projects him as a first rounder imo.
                        Last edited by titwio; 07-27-2012, 06:43 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                          I do not think Matieu projects to safety at all and if he does project there, then he is certainly not a1st round pick at that position.

                          He is likely a 1st round talent at Cb and on of the best defensive players in college football at cornerback, but not at safety where he would be 1 of the smallest , if not the smallest, safety in the league and would come into the league with no experience at the position.
                          Its not his lockdown cover skills that makes him one of the best defensive players in the nation though. It's his instincts as a football player and ability to make game changing plays. This is not a guy you want to just leave out on an island to shut down the other team's best WR, because thats not his strength. This is a guy you want to move all over the field and basically just get him around the line of scrimmage and the football as much as possible (Similar to Charles Woodson). LSU does this to some effect by lining him up on the outside, in the slot, at LB and at safety
                          Last edited by juice33s; 07-27-2012, 07:12 PM.

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                          • #14
                            A Breakdown of where LSU uses Mathieu
                            1. Mathieu is used at virtually every position in the back seven.


                            I charted each of Mathieu's snaps from the five games. He played slot corner on 36 percent of the downs, outside corner on 32.5 percent, and safety on 10 percent. Mathieu lined up at linebacker -- usually to rush the quarterback -- on 21 percent of his plays. A "joker" in LSU's defense, Mathieu's assignment differs from one snap to the next. The LSU staff seems to believe he is an equally effective cover man, run-support defender, and pass rusher. And Mathieu wreaks havoc wherever he lines up, making plays sideline to sideline and causing ball carriers constant disruption.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by juice33s View Post
                              A Breakdown of where LSU uses Mathieu
                              1. Mathieu is used at virtually every position in the back seven.


                              I charted each of Mathieu's snaps from the five games. He played slot corner on 36 percent of the downs, outside corner on 32.5 percent, and safety on 10 percent. Mathieu lined up at linebacker -- usually to rush the quarterback -- on 21 percent of his plays. A "joker" in LSU's defense, Mathieu's assignment differs from one snap to the next. The LSU staff seems to believe he is an equally effective cover man, run-support defender, and pass rusher. And Mathieu wreaks havoc wherever he lines up, making plays sideline to sideline and causing ball carriers constant disruption.
                              I am not doubting him as a player. He is a sick player. He is as instinctive a player as has come out in a few years. But, in the NFL he will play 1 position. Like Troy P, who he was compared to above, Tyrann plays a bunch of positions in college, he finds his way into almost every play,and is an insane ball hawk.

                              But, Troy was 206 LBs coming out of college(that's 30 more than Tyrann) and, despite being used all over the defense in college, he was drafted to play safety in the NFL. Tyrann could add weight but there is no guarantee he can do it and remain fast and he flat out cannot play NFL safety at 176 lbs. Troy ran a 4.33 coming out of college at 206lbs. So while he wasn't ideal size at only 5'10", he had a stout build and fantastic speed. Its unknown if Tyrann can add 30ish lbs and still keep his speed.

                              This year will be his determining year because LSU will likely keep him at the CB position moreso than last year since he is their best CB. He will be lined up against other team's #1 WRs, something he hasn't done in the past. People forget he was just a sophomore last year, that can explain a lot of the coverage mistakes he made. I suspect this year his stats may drop off a little, because he will be lined up on an island more, but I expect his NFL value will go up as teams get to see this kid do what NFL teams want him to do, and that is play corner.
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