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  • Giantamy
    started a topic Next year NEEDS! = major OUCH

    Next year NEEDS! = major OUCH

    QB2 David Carr... he's done
    RB2 David Wilson must play and re-sign Andre Brown cheap
    WR tender 1 year to Victor Cruz
    TE re-sign M. Bennett and Pascoe
    T Draft first round pick + re-sign Beatty (cut Diehl) don't re-sign Locklear... groom Mosley and McCants
    G Draft a guard in round 5 and re-sign Boothe
    DE let osi go... draft round 2
    DT let bernard and rogers go
    ILB re-sign Blackburn
    OLB draft round 3
    CB draft round 4 cut Terrell Thomas
    FS re-sign K. Phillips and Stevie Brown
    K re-sign Tynes

    do we have the cap?

    Draft
    round 1 = T
    round 2 = DE
    round 3 = OLB
    round 4 = CB
    round 5 = G
    round 6 = QB
    round 7 = best available

    Am I blind?

  • slipknottin
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Dude, hes not Von Miller, first of all, and no where near it.. Aldon Smith and D Ware are both 34 OLB's, and were a 4/3 team.. He'll be underused in NY... He'd have more value in a 34 front, in my opinion..

    Do u think i'm gonna change my mind on this? I'll bet u right now, hes picked up by a 34 team, and will play the OLB positon.. Hes 2 tiny..
    You don't understand what I'm saying. In a passing down it makes absolutely no difference what size he is or if he has his hand down or not. It's not relevant to anything.

    If we were talking about where would he fit as an every down player then yes, a 3-4 would be a better fit

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  • BlueSanta
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Ya it was me.. He played with his hand in the dirt almost his entire 2011 season, at least from what i seen, and almost every single play he made was with his hand in the dirt, and he outweighs Lemonier by like 15lbs almost.. ALso, he never had huge 7game chunks of season with no sacks... Also, hes 6ft 3in and 260, as opposed to lemoniers 6ft 4in 246lb's...
    In 2010, BJ's best year he played exclusively DE for FSU. His hand was in the dirt just as you said and he spent the entire year in opposing team's backfields. He reportedly played at around 230-240

    In 2011, the team still rushed him more often than not, but he spent a LOT more time in a hybrid LB role so as to get Tank C and Bjeorn onto the field. He dropped into coverage on many plays. But he did drop back a a LB a lot more in 2011. In fact, there were a couple interviews where the FSU coaches praised his play at the position.

    He might be 260 now, perhaps, but he never played at that weight at FSU. I dont care what they listed him as.

    I do agree that Lemoniers is likely a 34 OLB in the NFL and the Jenkins could end up at as a 43 DE, but I just think both have more value as a 34 olb. Someone is going to take a chance on Jenkins before where the consensus thinks he will go. He can take over games. I think it is likely a 34 team.

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
    See I saw someone(was it you?) mention Brandon Jenkins from FSU in another thread as a mid round possibility and I feel the same way about him. He has 34 OLB written all over him.
    Ya it was me.. He played with his hand in the dirt almost his entire 2011 season, at least from what i seen, and almost every single play he made was with his hand in the dirt, and he outweighs Lemonier by like 15lbs almost.. ALso, he never had huge 7game chunks of season with no sacks... Also, hes 6ft 3in and 260, as opposed to lemoniers 6ft 4in 246lb's...

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  • BlueSanta
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Dude, hes not Von Miller, first of all, and no where near it.. Aldon Smith and D Ware are both 34 OLB's, and were a 4/3 team.. He'll be underused in NY... He'd have more value in a 34 front, in my opinion..

    Do u think i'm gonna change my mind on this? I'll bet u right now, hes picked up by a 34 team, and will play the OLB positon.. Hes 2 tiny..
    See I saw someone(was it you?) mention Brandon Jenkins from FSU in another thread as a mid round possibility and I feel the same way about him. He has 34 OLB written all over him.
    Last edited by BlueSanta; 12-14-2012, 03:39 AM.

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Lemonier has had a 0.5sack in his last 7games.. Thats pathetic...

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    There is no difference whether he has his hand down or not. Look at Von miller, Aldon Smith, D Ware. All of them do both
    Dude, hes not Von Miller, first of all, and no where near it.. Aldon Smith and D Ware are both 34 OLB's, and were a 4/3 team.. He'll be underused in NY... He'd have more value in a 34 front, in my opinion..

    Do u think i'm gonna change my mind on this? I'll bet u right now, hes picked up by a 34 team, and will play the OLB positon.. Hes 2 tiny..

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  • slipknottin
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    nah, hes gonna rush the pass rusher from a standup OLB in a 34.. Thats my opinion...
    There is no difference whether he has his hand down or not. Look at Von miller, Aldon Smith, D Ware. All of them do both

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    Draftbreakdowns posted a bunch of him this year really good player.

    vs Southern Miss


    vs Alabama


    vs Ark st
    Yup, this guy can play!

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    If he can rush the passer as a 3-4 OLB, he can rush the passer as a 4-3 DE.
    nah, hes gonna rush the pass rusher from a standup OLB in a 34.. Thats my opinion...

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  • slipknottin
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Were each entitled to his own opinion.. I for one don't see lemonier as a 4/3 DE in any situation.. I'd be shocked if hes not a OLB in a 34...
    If he can rush the passer as a 3-4 OLB, he can rush the passer as a 4-3 DE.

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    I dont agree with this. Osi is 250-255. And Im not looking at Lemonier to be an every down end, Im looking at him to be a pass rusher. Thats all he needs to be. Having a guy who can be brought out on passing downs is an incredibly valuable thing to have. Just like what the seahawks do with Bruce Irvin (who is roughly the same size as Lemonier).

    Size isnt very critical to pass rushing ability either, best pass rusher in the league is the 235 pound Von Miller.
    Were each entitled to his own opinion.. I for one don't see lemonier as a 4/3 DE in any situation.. I'd be shocked if hes not a OLB in a 34...

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  • slipknottin
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Ya, i saw a game earlier in the yr that turned me on to Lemonier, but since then, i've been less then impressed... I don't see a 240lb guy as a DE.. OSI looks tiny out there at 260-263 or whatever he is, and Lemonier has a ways to go to even get that big, and also has to keep his speed and athletic ability.. I'd pass on Lemonier as a 4/3 DE, all though i can see the intrigue..
    I dont agree with this. Osi is 250-255. And Im not looking at Lemonier to be an every down end, Im looking at him to be a pass rusher. Thats all he needs to be. Having a guy who can be brought out on passing downs is an incredibly valuable thing to have. Just like what the seahawks do with Bruce Irvin (who is roughly the same size as Lemonier).

    Size isnt very critical to pass rushing ability either, best pass rusher in the league is the 235 pound Von Miller.

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  • GMENAGAIN
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    Originally posted by paulj View Post
    I agree that we need more OL. Two picks one inside G/C and one outside T/G.
    We are grooming Brewer as RT, McCants as LT, Mosley at G. I would resign Locklear cut DD.

    I think we need another cover CB. We have Webster but he seems to have lost a step as he has been beaten alot this year?
    WE have Prince and Hosley who areboth learning. WE need another good cover corner. We should have 5 CBs total.

    We are set at safety with Phillps, Rolle, Brown Will Hill and Tyler Sash!!!! Total DBs =10 including 5 CBs.

    We need a run stuffing DT to compliment Joseph and Canty. Im disappointed with Marvin Austin. He looks out of shape and slow.

    I would return Kiwi to the DE rotation along with rookie Ojomo(=new Osi) who looked good in pre season.

    I would draft an OLB with speed and a MLB.

    If we can afford NY Jets TE Dustin Keller via FA if he comes cheap, he would be another weapon on offense that would open things up for our WRs and RBs. He would be another Jason Witten type TE. The Giants were going to draft him but the Jets moved up and took him. He is having an average year so he may come cheap? He would complement M Bennett.

    CB
    DT
    OLB
    MLB
    OL
    OL
    RB
    Brewer, McCants and Mosley are awful. If they ever get on the field for significant reps, Eli will be in big trouble.

    We will use a high pick on a pass rusher.

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  • ebick
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    We're hosting the SuperBowl next year....we should just go ahead and consider it a rebuilding year

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