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  • #61
    Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
    Look how much a good corner like brandon carr gets paid then look at willis contract. GMs agree with me.

    Patrick Willis' signing bonus was 3.5 million dollars more than Carrs lol you're an idiot. Also, you can't compare a contract of 2012 to one made in 2010. There's this thing called inflation and the fact that every year players get paid more than the last.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
      Don't care what he does at the combine, he has proven to be a very good player throughout his college career.
      Coulden't agree more.. I don't care what he runs, what he lifts, what anything.. The guys a beast, end of story..

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      • #63
        Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
        Patrick Willis' signing bonus was 3.5 million dollars more than Carrs lol you're an idiot. Also, you can't compare a contract of 2012 to one made in 2010. There's this thing called inflation and the fact that every year players get paid more than the last.
        I know,. rigth? Whats up with his "GM's will agree with me", and then hes dead wrong with what hes saying GM's will agree with him about??lol He did that twice in this thread.. Good dude, but a bit outta it in this thread...

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        • #64
          . Jon beason got the "biggest" contract in '11. 25 mill guaranteed. Carr got 26.5 guaranteed.

          Edit note: Willis did get 29 guaranteed
          Last edited by Imgrate; 12-30-2012, 03:59 AM.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
            I know,. rigth? Whats up with his "GM's will agree with me", and then hes dead wrong with what hes saying GM's will agree with him about??lol He did that twice in this thread.. Good dude, but a bit outta it in this thread...
            No gm in the league values a mlb over any non lber position on defense.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
              hey imgrate

              Luke Kuechly in his rookie year is already 10x better than Blackburn and he has been in the league for 7 years. PFF has Kuechly as the #5 overall ILB in the league this year. Blackburn? #46 lol he is so bad.

              There is no such thing as a higher position of importance, especially on defense. Good players make plays at any position on the defense. JJ Watt is about to break the sack record as an interior lineman, Aldon Smith is about to break the sack record in his second year on the outside, Ray Lewis is a member of the 40 sack/30 int club, Derrel Revis can shut down anyone, and Ed Reed has been a turnover machine at Safety... Notice the pattern here? Every position can have a huge impact on the game.

              Te'o has the play-making ability and leadership qualities to be the next Ray Lewis. In the last 2 seasons he has 235 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 7 interceptions, 13 PDs, and a FF. PLAYMAKER.
              I disagree there is absolutely a positional hierarchy. Almost every team in the NFL will take an elite pass rusher over an Elite anything else

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              • #67
                It simple Giants are not getting him. But the biggest piece to the Giants puzzle is getting a MLB. MLB is a NECESSITY to having a good defense. He allows the dline to not be double teamed as much due to lineman trying to get to second level to stop him. He makes them make weak blocks to ensure they get to him. Sets up defenses. I truly believe a defense has to be sound thru the middle. Dt MLB and safety this has been Philly major prob. Giants in super bowl had chase playing out of a**. Giants need a face at MLB because the core has been underachieving. Williams I like but needs to stay healthy. Thought rivers was solid when healthy. The last two weeks showed pay singer and Herzlich missed tackles and slow.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
                  . Jon beason got the "biggest" contract in '11. 25 mill guaranteed. Carr got 26.5 guaranteed.

                  Edit note: Willis did get 29 guaranteed
                  So you admit you're wrong?...

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                    I disagree there is absolutely a positional hierarchy. Almost every team in the NFL will take an elite pass rusher over an Elite anything else
                    Its funny how many of the elite DE's in this league have gone where they have though, ey? JPP middle of RD 1.. Jared Allen drafted in RD 4, John Abraham Pick 13 of RD 1, OSI Rd 2, and Tuck RD 3, Vanden BOesch RD 2, Michael Johnson RD 2, Chris Clemons Undrafted, Greg Hardy 6th rd, Cliff Avril 3rd rd, JJ Watt outside top 10, Micahel Bennett Undrafted, Cameron Wake Undrafted, Charles Johnson RD 3, Paul Kruger RD 2..etc

                    Those are all guys littering the top 20-23 or so in SACK LEADERS and just overall big sack careers... Theres a couple players taken in top 10 who either are doing real well this yr or have had good careers, like Mario Williams, and Demarcus Ware, but for the most part, these guys have been taken outside of RD 1, middle of RD 1, outside top 10..etc

                    What is so important isn't something u have to reach for.. Michael Strahan was taken in RD 2 as well.. U can find these guys at any point, just like any positon.. U shoulden't reach for guys becuase u think its so called "MORE IMPORTANT" then other positons.. Dwight Freeney went outta top 10 as wel...


                    My whole point is don't skip over what seems to be a better prospect at another positon just becuase u think its a more important posiotn.. All positons can be found with alittle good scouting in other rounds.. TAKE THE BETTER PROSPECTS! Obviously i added a few good pass rushers outside of DE's..

                    Of course, there is Von Miller as well, who was a top 10pick...

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                    • #70
                      I keep hearing about ansah, anyone got any word on Margus Hunt & when you think he'll come off the board???

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                        I keep hearing about ansah, anyone got any word on Margus Hunt & when you think he'll come off the board???
                        Not really, physically hes a top 10 pick. He is going to blow up the combine.

                        But hes a crap football player outside of bowl games and special teams.

                        How do you value that. Do you think you can coach him up and get him to be more consistent? Is there some flaw in his game normally?

                        Ill be honest I have not watched him that much, only a couple games.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                          Not really, physically hes a top 10 pick. He is going to blow up the combine.

                          But hes a crap football player outside of bowl games and special teams.

                          How do you value that. Do you think you can coach him up and get him to be more consistent? Is there some flaw in his game normally?

                          Ill be honest I have not watched him that much, only a couple games.
                          I dont have much of him I have the TCU game that I havent looked at yet. I dont have this years A&M game wish I did, have last years he got dominated although he blocked 2 kicks

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            SInce Luke Kuechlys move to MLB, the Panthers have ranked 4th in Total defense..lol 5th in pass defense and 9th in rush defense...

                            Argue that!
                            Amen brother!! A great MLB is the heart of a great defense!

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              Not really, physically hes a top 10 pick. He is going to blow up the combine.

                              But hes a crap football player outside of bowl games and special teams.

                              How do you value that. Do you think you can coach him up and get him to be more consistent? Is there some flaw in his game normally?

                              Ill be honest I have not watched him that much, only a couple games.
                              dont even know if he is physically a top ten pick,,,his combine will be average,,nothing special,,his value is as a defensive leader,,,If he did not play for ND I am not sure if many of us would even know about him. what I do know is that we have a realistic shot at him at 19,,,the only team with a pressing LB need ahead of us is the steelers,,,that is unless the raiders pull a fast one....my guess is he goes at 17.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                                dont even know if he is physically a top ten pick,,,his combine will be average,,nothing special,,his value is as a defensive leader,,,If he did not play for ND I am not sure if many of us would even know about him. what I do know is that we have a realistic shot at him at 19,,,the only team with a pressing LB need ahead of us is the steelers,,,that is unless the raiders pull a fast one....my guess is he goes at 17.
                                I wasent talking about Teo, I was talking about Margus Hunt

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