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  • #46
    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    I will never understand the fascination this board has with offensive guards. Every year that's what everyone wants. It's bizarre. No other teams roots for guards. They all want play makers.

    And I don't see how the giants need a guard more than a DE.
    Its not a thread about which position you want more, its about which player you want more.


    DE is a bigger impact position than guard, no doubt. But there is also logic in thinking that Warmack is a pretty sure fire stud guard whereas Ansah, for all his physcal freakishness, still has a long way to go in his development and technique. There are a lot of scouts who still have Ansah as a possible early 2nd round prospect(which I doubt) and I havent seen anyone who think Warmack will make it out of the 1st. So, I can at least understand why some may have him higher.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      I will never understand the fascination this board has with offensive guards. Every year that's what everyone wants. It's bizarre. No other teams roots for guards. They all want play makers.

      And I don't see how the giants need a guard more than a DE.
      +1000.......IMO DE,DT,CB,LB much bigger needs....10x easier to find Interior Olineman in the middle/late rounds than it is to find a pAssrusher or a Cb worthy of being in the NFL...

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      • #48
        Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
        Its not a thread about which position you want more, its about which player you want more.


        DE is a bigger impact position than guard, no doubt. But there is also logic in thinking that Warmack is a pretty sure fire stud guard whereas Ansah, for all his physcal freakishness, still has a long way to go in his development and technique. There are a lot of scouts who still have Ansah as a possible early 2nd round prospect(which I doubt) and I havent seen anyone who think Warmack will make it out of the 1st. So, I can at least understand why some may have him higher.
        Well said! Not to mention, we have to take into account who last yrs 1st rder was, and Warmack in essence, helps us with 2major parts of our team, keeping our QB upright, and helping get David WIlson a up the middle game...

        Not to mention we have Boothe as a FA, and Snee is stinking, and Snee went fairly early in RD 2, adn was the best lineman we had for yrs, and thats saying something, when people like to say "we find G's everywhere, why draft one early?"..

        Mike Iupati is sensational, and we've seen Guards and Centers every yr lately who are above and beyond and worthy of a mid to late 1st rder, and warmack may be the best yet.. Talking about the POuncey bro's, Decastro, Iupati, the guy the eagles drafted..etc

        Some of us just want good players and a all around good team, and when u can have the best player at a positon, and its a positon that needs youth, and skill, then we root for it.. Not to mention, most of us aren't rooting for warmack, hes just one guy we would certainly not have a issue if we drafted...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
          +1000.......IMO DE,DT,CB,LB much bigger needs....10x easier to find Interior Olineman in the middle/late rounds than it is to find a pAssrusher or a Cb worthy of being in the NFL...
          Heres a look at Interior Lineman in the Probowl and wehre they were drafted..

          Logan Mankins- 1st rder
          Mike Iupati- 1st rder
          Maurkice Pouncey- 1st rder
          Marshall Yanda- 3rd rder
          Chris Snee- early 2nd rder
          Max Unger- 2nd rder
          Wade Smith- 3rd rder
          Jahri Evans- 4th rd
          Chris Myers- 6th rd
          Jeff Saturday- undrafted.

          As u can see, most of the time, guys are drafted in the early rds that make it to the probowl level.. Its more rare u find those guys in the undrafted or later rd ranks.. I'll bet David Decastro eventually will be in the probowl as well, and he was a 1st rder as well... Chance Warmack might be the best interior line prospect outta all these guys outside of maybe Mike Iupati...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            Lets remember that Warmack has all sorts of problems pass blocking. Going forward he's a good player. But do I want him protecting Eli? Probably not
            Nah, he pass blocks just fine... Hes a incredible all around player, and very few are gonna get the better of him.. Hes way to strong and mobile.. The guy moves extrmely well for a man his size.. I don't know where u get he has a issue pass blocking? I've not only rarley seen Bama give up pressure at all, let alone coming from Warmacks positon...


            Chance Warmack, Manti Te'o head top players in BCS title game
            NFL News - 3 days ago - 7 related articles
            The BCS title game is a must-see event for NFL scouts. ... 1) Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama: It is uncommon for an interior blocker to sit ... senior season that showcased his capacity to dominate the game from the middle.
            Last edited by nycsportzfan; 01-08-2013, 09:22 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
              As u can see, most of the time, guys are drafted in the early rds that make it to the probowl level.. Its more rare u find those guys in the undrafted or later rd ranks.. I'll bet David Decastro eventually will be in the probowl as well, and he was a 1st rder as well... Chance Warmack might be the best interior line prospect outta all these guys outside of maybe Mike Iupati...
              We hear this every year that this guard is the best ever. How many games has Chris snee won for the giants?

              I've just never seen a forum that is so amazed by guards and centers.

              I think if we let this forum pick draft picks the top 10 picks in every draft would be centers and guards

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              • #52
                Not true. We'd get plenty out-of-no-where 4.3 guys that we'd trade the farm for.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by BlueBlooded1979 View Post
                  A Guard at #19 ? That would be like taking a gadget 2 down RB in the first round....oh wait.

                  Take the DE, how often do you find good pass rushers outside the top 35 picks ?
                  Tuck osi Strahan?
                  Why the Giants will win the SuperBowl!!!

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QPvmhCcsnY&t=1s

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                    Its not a thread about which position you want more, its about which player you want more.


                    DE is a bigger impact position than guard, no doubt. But there is also logic in thinking that Warmack is a pretty sure fire stud guard whereas Ansah, for all his physcal freakishness, still has a long way to go in his development and technique. There are a lot of scouts who still have Ansah as a possible early 2nd round prospect(which I doubt) and I havent seen anyone who think Warmack will make it out of the 1st. So, I can at least understand why some may have him higher.
                    Well put. Project DE vs. Sure Fire Pro Bowl G is a different conversation than just G vs. DE.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                      Well put. Project DE vs. Sure Fire Pro Bowl G is a different conversation than just G vs. DE.
                      And if that "project DE" has upside of being one of the best DEs in the league I would take the DE every time.

                      Just like JPP vs. Iupati. Anyone really want Iupati more now?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        And if that "project DE" has upside of being one of the best DEs in the league I would take the DE every time.

                        Just like JPP vs. Iupati. Anyone really want Iupati more now?
                        That opinion is very valid. But, JPP was a better prospect coming out that Ansah is right now. Warmack is a better prospect than Lupati was too. So its fair to go either way.

                        regardless, you make it sound as if the posters here are choosing the position Guard over the position DE. That isnt happening.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                          That opinion is very valid. But, JPP was a better prospect coming out that Ansah is right now. Warmack is a better prospect than Lupati was too. So its fair to go either way.

                          regardless, you make it sound as if the posters here are choosing the position Guard over the position DE. That isnt happening.
                          JPP was a better prospect? Many doubted he would even go in the first round.

                          My point is every year this place goes crazy head over heels for a guard they want in the first round. It's completely bizarre

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            And if that "project DE" has upside of being one of the best DEs in the league I would take the DE every time.

                            Just like JPP vs. Iupati. Anyone really want Iupati more now?
                            Maybe you're right , but the point is that you have to consider the players involved and just can't make the blanket statement that a DE should be selected ahead of a G every time.

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                            • #59
                              The difference in production of a top flight guard and a middle of the road guard isn't that significant I remember reading a report by a former olineman when faneca got his new deal that the difference between faneca and a journeyman player is about 16 positive plays a year when the coaches break down the film. Who really gives a **** if you have great guards?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                                Maybe you're right , but the point is that you have to consider the players involved and just can't make the blanket statement that a DE should be selected ahead of a G every time.
                                I'm not. But every year everyone here has a guard as their highest rated player it seems.

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