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If Ansah, Warmack and Ogletree is available at pick 19 who do we pick?

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  • #61
    Ansah may indeed turn out to be a great player. I just dont see much past the physical. I think Okafor is better imo. Warmack is just such a beast. I see a Steve Hutchinson level guard with him. At #19, that is fine with me.

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    • #62
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      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      JPP was a better prospect? Many doubted he would even go in the first round.

      My point is every year this place goes crazy head over heels for a guard they want in the first round. It's completely bizarre
      JPP was a better prospect yes. Ansah might be a better athlete, but JPP was a better prospect. He had better tape vs better competition.

      And I do not recall people saying he was a 2nd rounder, at least not anyone reputable.

      There are a few people who consider Ansah to be a late 1st round to early 2nd round prospect. I think JPPs success has helped improve Ansah's stock to be honest. He is a sick athlete and I would certainly love the pick, but I also understand why Warmack would be preffered by some people.

      Either way, my reponse was to your general statement that DE> Guard. The merits of the 2 players are there for all to see so lets talk about them.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
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        JPP was a better prospect yes. Ansah might be a better athlete, but JPP was a better prospect. He had better tape vs better competition.

        And I do not recall people saying he was a 2nd rounder, at least not anyone reputable.

        There are a few people who consider Ansah to be a late 1st round to early 2nd round prospect. I think JPPs success has helped improve Ansah's stock to be honest. He is a sick athlete and I would certainly love the pick, but I also understand why Warmack would be preffered by some people.

        Either way, my reponse was to your general statement that DE> Guard. The merits of the 2 players are there for all to see so lets talk about them.
        JPP did not have great tape. He made special plays on occasion, and he had a great motor. But his tape was similar to Ansahs. And most thought he was a mid to late first. With a possibility of going in the early second. Similar to ansah now. Though we are still months away.

        I don't see how JPP raises Ansahs stock at all. Because of Jpp teams became interested in 6'5 DEs who can run and have power? Pretty sure it's always been like that.

        And I understand that Warmack is a good player. But guards get such massive hype on this board. Like if the giants replaced boothe with Warmack their offense would be unstoppable. Never mind that teams running games almost always suffer when a new guard is drafted. Takes a couple years for them to get going.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
          JPP did not have great tape. He made special plays on occasion, and he had a great motor. But his tape was similar to Ansahs. And most thought he was a mid to late first. With a possibility of going in the early second. Similar to ansah now. Though we are still months away.

          I don't see how JPP raises Ansahs stock at all. Because of Jpp teams became interested in 6'5 DEs who can run and have power? Pretty sure it's always been like that.

          And I understand that Warmack is a good player. But guards get such massive hype on this board. Like if the giants replaced boothe with Warmack their offense would be unstoppable. Never mind that teams running games almost always suffer when a new guard is drafted. Takes a couple years for them to get going.
          JPP had dominant games vs very good competition. He dominated the entire FSU offensive line that has 3 guys in the NFl right now. He basically won that game for USF. The tackle he accrued 3 sacks against was all conference ACC. JPP was a better prospect. Ansah is an incredible athlete to watch but he doesnt have the comparable tape to what JPP had. Sorry, not gonna let you rewrite that history.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
            JPP had dominant games vs very good competition. He dominated the entire FSU offensive line that has 3 guys in the NFl right now. He basically won that game for USF. The tackle he accrued 3 sacks against was all conference ACC. JPP was a better prospect. Ansah is an incredible athlete to watch but he doesnt have the comparable tape to what JPP had. Sorry, not gonna let you rewrite that history.
            He had 1 sack that game. Talk about rewriting history.

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            • #66
              And if we want to really debate performances against good opponents. Lets see.

              Boise state ranked 18, ansah had 2.5 tackles for a loss and a sack.
              Utah state ranked 16, ansah had 3 tackles for a loss and 2 sacks.

              I believe ansah had a much more difficult schedule/higher quality of competition this season than JPp did in his breakout year

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              • #67
                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                He had 1 sack that game. Talk about rewriting history.
                Sorry They were 3 TFL, 1 sack , 1 ff and 2 QB hurries. Either way feel free to review the game, I dont have to cause I was there He was everywhere and He DOMINATED a highly touted FSU offensive line that has 3 guys in the NFL(4 if you count ps players)

                That was the game that oppened people's eyes.

                While Ansah has been very good, he hasnt faced or dominated anyone of that caliber. JPP had better tape. Move on.
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                • #68
                  There was talk of jpp going third overall.....

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                    Sorry They were 3 TFL, 1 sack , 1 ff and 2 QB hurries. Either way feel free to review the game, I dont have to cause I was there He was everywhere and He DOMINATED a highly touted FSU offensive line that has 3 guys in the NFL(4 if you count ps players)

                    That was the game that oppened people's eyes.

                    While Ansah has been very good, he hasnt faced or dominated anyone of that caliber. JPP had better tape. Move on.
                    Ansah has played better opponents. Sorry.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
                      There was talk of jpp going third overall.....
                      There's going to be talk of Ansah going top 5 too.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        Ansah has played better opponents. Sorry.
                        Change the topic much? He played good opponents, which ones did he play that he dominated and which of those are NFL talents?

                        JPP had that on his resume.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                          And if we want to really debate performances against good opponents. Lets see.

                          Boise state ranked 18, ansah had 2.5 tackles for a loss and a sack.
                          Utah state ranked 16, ansah had 3 tackles for a loss and 2 sacks.

                          I believe ansah had a much more difficult schedule/higher quality of competition this season than JPp did in his breakout year
                          Ansah plays a different role also. BYU plays some 3 man fronts, He plays some 0 tech ,3 tech 5 tech

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            There's going to be talk of Ansah going top 5 too.
                            Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                            Change the topic much? He played good opponents, which ones did he play that he dominated and which of those are NFL talents?

                            JPP had that on his resume.
                            He beat up datko at fsu. Datko was like the last pick in the draft. Not exactly a top quality player.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by carter.525 View Post
                              1A - Ansah
                              1B - Warmack
                              5 - Ogletree
                              This sums it up to me impact wise.

                              Although I'd never use a #1 pick on an OG-only prospect (Warmack could never play Tackle imo).

                              Ogletree is a borderline 3rd rounder. Good player, but not worth a first round flyer.

                              Of the three, Ansah has the most chance to be an impact player imo.
                              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                                He beat up datko at fsu. Datko was like the last pick in the draft. Not exactly a top quality player.
                                That was after he destroyed BOTH shoulders. At the time of that game, Datko was among the best young tackles in college football. Datko completely dominated several other very good NFL caliber players that same year, including Derrick Morgan(pick just after jpp) who Datko owned.
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