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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    U take way to much stock into guys numbers. Greg Jones had 150 tackles and 9 sacks in college they are pretty meaningless in projecting players. Im far more interested in the eye test than what stats say. I never said Ogletree wasnt a good player all I said is he doesnt handle blocks from Lineman well. U guys make it out to be that Im attacking u personally.
    ogeltree actually isnt that bad shedding blocks,,he is a safety moved to LB and is still learning the position,,,,what he has shown cant be taught,,its god given athletic ability and instincts. adding some weight to that frame should remedy the blocking issues,,he just needs to get stronger.

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  • Redeyejedi
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Thats the way it is with LB's.. THey don't blow through blocks every play , or the blockers blocking them just plain su-ck.. Its a team game, anyway u look at it, and as we seen with Bill Sheridan as are DC, if u have a cr-ap scheme and units not playing well, iwts going to affect the whole team..

    HOnestly, i could throw a Arthur Brown tape up , and you'd see quite a few plays where hes blocked.. I mean, has a 228lb kid, who dosen't make a ton of plays and dosen't load up on the tackles, so hes obviously getting blocked or something on quite a few plays.. Its not like hes the only focal point of K.St's defnse either, they got some really nice players including Meshak Williams, who could be drafted anywhere from RD 4-7 as well..

    It really dosen't matter what dline is in front of Ogletree, he played his bowl game without Jenkins, which u guys never mention, and was great, and theres a 1000 awesome Olineman in the SEC anyways, including Alabamas oline, in which Mel Kiper raved Ogletree was teh best defender on the field in that game, and its saying something..

    Kiper also said, GA"s defense simply got better when Ogletree started playing..

    The way the BIG12 plays offense, Arthur Brown should of made a he-ll of alot more impact plays, and tackles....
    U take way to much stock into guys numbers. Greg Jones had 150 tackles and 9 sacks in college they are pretty meaningless in projecting players. Im far more interested in the eye test than what stats say. I never said Ogletree wasnt a good player all I said is he doesnt handle blocks from Lineman well. U guys make it out to be that Im attacking u personally.

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    I've been following the trenches of the draft way more than any other positions and I really haven't had the opportunity to watch any recent tape on those guys mentioned. Just got started on Ogletree and Brown because of the debate in this thread. Though it would be quite funny if we drafted that Andrew Jackson kid to play the redskins twice a year.



    The hype he gets annoys me way more. I swear that no other player on this team can make only one or two flash plays out of an entire game and be forgiven for the rest of his performance. It's mind boggling.
    I agree about chase,,,check out andrew jackson some time when you are bored,,not coming out till next year but seems to be the real deal.

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  • TheEnigma
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    Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    Enigma,,,,what do you think of gerald hodges and aj klein? and how about the kid from WKU, andre jackson(coming out next year I believe?)
    I've been following the trenches of the draft way more than any other positions and I really haven't had the opportunity to watch any recent tape on those guys mentioned. Just got started on Ogletree and Brown because of the debate in this thread. Though it would be quite funny if we drafted that Andrew Jackson kid to play the redskins twice a year.

    I cant take another season with Blackburn as the MLB.
    The hype he gets annoys me way more. I swear that no other player on this team can make only one or two flash plays out of an entire game and be forgiven for the rest of his performance. It's mind boggling.

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    I cant take another season with Blackburn as the MLB.
    friggin' amen,,I am really hoping ogeltree is there at 19,,althought he giants will pick god knows who else.

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  • Redeyejedi
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    Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    Meh, odds are that with our Dline issues like the ends not generating consistent pressure and the lack of depth in the middle, the Giants will probably snatch up another mid round LBer again. I'm expecting Chase for 2013 once more and the FO hoping Williams and Rivers stay healthy.
    I cant take another season with Blackburn as the MLB.

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Enigma,,,,what do you think of gerald hodges and aj klein? and how about the kid from WKU, andre jackson(coming out next year I believe?)

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    Meh, odds are that with our Dline issues like the ends not generating consistent pressure and the lack of depth in the middle, the Giants will probably snatch up another mid round LBer again. I'm expecting Chase for 2013 once more and the FO hoping Williams and Rivers stay healthy.
    if that is the case I do not expect much from this team next year. the D couldn't stop a nose bleed.

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  • TheEnigma
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    Meh, odds are that with our Dline issues like the ends not generating consistent pressure and the lack of depth in the middle, the Giants will probably snatch up another mid round LBer again. I'm expecting Chase for 2013 once more and the FO hoping Williams and Rivers stay healthy.

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    I look at that TCU game as well.. Brown did nothing in that game, and TCU reminds me of a SEC team alot more then teams like Kansas, Ok st, Texas Tech, and all those other finesse teams do.. TCU litteraly shutdown Brown and made him as non factor as u can possibly be..

    Lets watch that tape!!!!lol Again, i like Brown, but its pretty clear as day to why Ogletree is gonna get drafted ahead of him, in my opinion.. Ogletrees earned it...
    at the end of the day some guys that were beasts in college suck as pro's, and guys you thought had no chance turn out to be good players,,,you just can't tell,,even with college performances.

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by juice33s View Post
    Whatever, Put A Brown on the field against Alabama and see how he does. I know Kyle Long and the Oregon Oline made a ***** out of him in the Fiesta Bowl.

    Two things can't be over looked here, Ogletree faced far greater competition in the SEC and out performed Brown who went up against alot of finnesse spread BIG 12 offenses. Ogletree's also two years younger then Brown who has far more experience at the Lb position
    I look at that TCU game as well.. Brown did nothing in that game, and TCU reminds me of a SEC team alot more then teams like Kansas, Ok st, Texas Tech, and all those other finesse teams do.. TCU litteraly shutdown Brown and made him as non factor as u can possibly be..

    Lets watch that tape!!!!lol Again, i like Brown, but its pretty clear as day to why Ogletree is gonna get drafted ahead of him, in my opinion.. Ogletrees earned it...

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    I have been campaigning for this guy,,,it's good to see people coming around on him,,although he will be gone by pick 19 I fear.

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  • TheEnigma
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    Just watched some more tape of Ogletree and most of his failed tackles seem to be due to the lack of lower body strength like Redeye pointed out earlier but there were times during the SEC Championship that he made a goal line stand or crucial 3rd down stop like you would want our of your MLB. This guy can be something very special but I'd be cautious giving him too many snaps in an NFL defense in his rookie season. I could see him getting bullied against a run heavy team with his current build and lose confidence. I dunno...if I'm the coach, I put him on the field for more obvious passing downs and special teams in year 1 and then when he adds more weight for his sophomore year, let him compete for the starting job.

    Brown looks like he can start on day 1 and make a solid contribution to a team that already has a decent front 7 though I just don't see future superstar in him. Slip said something about him starting in the middle earlier in the thread and I'd be curious what he saw in him to make that statement?

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    Numerous times in that game he got blown up by a TE "Michael Williams great TE " and turns his back away from contact. Settling into a spot and making tackles 8 yards down field to me isnt a great play. Its not that I dont like Ogletree believe me I see all the good things he does as well.
    Thats the way it is with LB's.. THey don't blow through blocks every play , or the blockers blocking them just plain su-ck.. Its a team game, anyway u look at it, and as we seen with Bill Sheridan as are DC, if u have a cr-ap scheme and units not playing well, iwts going to affect the whole team..

    HOnestly, i could throw a Arthur Brown tape up , and you'd see quite a few plays where hes blocked.. I mean, has a 228lb kid, who dosen't make a ton of plays and dosen't load up on the tackles, so hes obviously getting blocked or something on quite a few plays.. Its not like hes the only focal point of K.St's defnse either, they got some really nice players including Meshak Williams, who could be drafted anywhere from RD 4-7 as well..

    It really dosen't matter what dline is in front of Ogletree, he played his bowl game without Jenkins, which u guys never mention, and was great, and theres a 1000 awesome Olineman in the SEC anyways, including Alabamas oline, in which Mel Kiper raved Ogletree was teh best defender on the field in that game, and its saying something..

    Kiper also said, GA"s defense simply got better when Ogletree started playing..

    The way the BIG12 plays offense, Arthur Brown should of made a he-ll of alot more impact plays, and tackles....

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  • Carter.525
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    [Former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah likens Georgia LB Alec Ogletree' game to Steelers ILB Lawrence Timmons.

    Like Timmons, Ogletree is an explosive linebacker capable of playing inside and out. An inside 'backer by trade in Pittsburgh's 3-4, Timmons often starts at outside linebacker when James Harrison or LaMarr Woodley is injured. Jeremiah compares Ogletree to Timmons as a "bigger version" with explosive athleticism, but who struggles to take on blocks at the second level.

    Source: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter

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