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  • #46
    Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
    I agree...people always overrate guys every year & then have to nerve to talk about us taking a 1st/2nd round talent in like the 4th round....but anyways, I know one things forsure,after the 2nd round the LB talent drops....gMen have to make that move this draft
    What the GMEN should do is try and trade down and secure extra picks in this draft.. Like i said before, u got all these underclassmen declaring(now a record!) and 2teams missing picks in RD2(browns for Supplamental drafting of Josh Gordon and Saints for Bountygate)..

    And then as u said, add a Khaseem Greene, Arthur Brown, Kevin Minter or whoever is there in RD2.. After watching Sean Weatherspoon, Patrick WIllis, Luke Kuechly, Bobby Wagner, Navarro Bowman, Ray Lewis, Chad Greenway, Brian Cushing, Vontaze Burfict, Clay Matthews, Akeem Dent, Jerod Mayo, and on and on, do big things for there teams, who are all in the postsason minus Kuechly, whos panthers defense went night and day when he went ot MLB.. THey ended up being like 4th in the league in Total defense from the time he went to MLB for carolina.. Obviously some of these guys are straight up pass rushers , but still technically LB's, and most have SLB size in a 4/3 anyhow, and are undersized for DE in a 4/3...

    My point is this, we need to add one of these dynamic LB's in the first couple rds if possible.. If not, we gotta secure Gerald Hodges or Kevin Red**** at least.. See, in a perfect world, i'd like to add picks, and maybe get a Greene and Ogletree, or a Brown and Red****, or some combonation fo 2 LBs, one inside and one out... But we have other needs, so drafting for extra picks would be a great idea in my opinon..

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    • #47
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      Yea, Brown is a late 1st to mid 2nd. Somewhere in that range. Same range for Ogletree, and probably Te'o now too.

      Greene is another one in that range.
      I think Brown is about the prospect Lavonte David was last year

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      • #48
        Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
        What the GMEN should do is try and trade down and secure extra picks in this draft.. Like i said before, u got all these underclassmen declaring(now a record!) and 2teams missing picks in RD2(browns for Supplamental drafting of Josh Gordon and Saints for Bountygate)..

        And then as u said, add a Khaseem Greene, Arthur Brown, Kevin Minter or whoever is there in RD2.. After watching Sean Weatherspoon, Patrick WIllis, Luke Kuechly, Bobby Wagner, Navarro Bowman, Ray Lewis, Chad Greenway, Brian Cushing, Vontaze Burfict, Clay Matthews, Akeem Dent, Jerod Mayo, and on and on, do big things for there teams, who are all in the postsason minus Kuechly, whos panthers defense went night and day when he went ot MLB.. THey ended up being like 4th in the league in Total defense from the time he went to MLB for carolina.. Obviously some of these guys are straight up pass rushers , but still technically LB's, and most have SLB size in a 4/3 anyhow, and are undersized for DE in a 4/3...

        My point is this, we need to add one of these dynamic LB's in the first couple rds if possible.. If not, we gotta secure Gerald Hodges or Kevin Red**** at least.. See, in a perfect world, i'd like to add picks, and maybe get a Greene and Ogletree, or a Brown and Red****, or some combonation fo 2 LBs, one inside and one out... But we have other needs, so drafting for extra picks would be a great idea in my opinon..
        Good post. On a sidenote... I remember campaigning on these messageboards for Navorro Bowman BIG TIME back in the day. Really wanted him.
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        Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
        Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
        Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
        Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
        Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
        Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
        Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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        • #49
          Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
          Ogletrees going in the 1st, and when he does, it'll be u backtracking that u like em and..etc ... And hes perdicted to go mostly in th 19-28 range, not late 1st - mid 2nd as u suggested... I'll gurantee he goes in the first.. The only one i was wrong on a gurantee was Akeem Ayers, who has ended up being a really productive all around player for the titans...

          And no, this has nothing to do with finding faults, but simply comparing Ogletree to Arthur Brown.. A shoe in for the HOF becuase i said hes better prospect then Arthur Brown??lol He is! THis is football man, u act like all these LB's aren't physical players.. Its not a sport u can sit around and not get dirty and have to make physical plays all the time.. All u can do, is go to he dosen't get off blocks from Olineman that well, like Arthur Brown blows through Offensivelineman left and right or something? The bottom line is Ogletree makes more plays, has more upside, makes hard hits almost every game, can stop a runner at the goalline by himself, is good in coverge, has some versatility, and has a frame to add plenty more weight and keep his athletiscim..

          Its just sometimes, u seem to like to make the debate about "wow, look what i said" , more so then its pretty clear as day.. Whenever people see something more clear as day, u pretty much chime in with there wrong... Ogletree is a much more touted prospect then Arthur Brown is, and to be honest, i'll be surprised if Arthur Brown goes before the end of RD 2.. Khaseem Greene will go before him, as will Ogletree, and proably Minter... And for good reason... Now, i love arthur brown, and if we get em, i'll be stoked, and i'm not gonna knock his game to try to make my point like you, as hes a good prospect no doubt, but Ogletree has done more in less time , and has more potential while all ready being really good.. Theres no denying that...
          The only thing he said is he doesnt shed blocks well and avoids lineman which is True. No 1 is discounting that he cant be a good NFL player.Just because he is pointing out a flaw doesnt mean he dislikes him as a prospect. Saying he is an early 2nd round pick instead of a Top 25 pick isnt an insult or personal attack.Players that get drafted from 25-40,45 are pretty much the same level of prospect anyway at least in my opinion they are

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          • #50
            I'm by no means an expert, but I just watched Ogeltree vs Nebraska and he wasn't all that impressive (It sounds like he showed his potential vs Bama so I'll watch that). I just got watching Brown vs Miami, and he looked really good. Once again only two videos I've seen of either. Arthur Brown just seems way more agressive.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
              I think Brown is about the prospect Lavonte David was last year
              David was way more productive and impacted games more then Arthur Brown... I know u guys hate stats, but David had over 130tackles, 5.5sacks, 2FF, 2FR, 13TFL, 2INTS..etc Brown had a stretch of 7straight games he didn't reach double digits in tackles which guys like Ogletree and David never came near...

              Thats what i don't get, is if Brown is so much better then Ogletree, and Ogletrees not good at geting off blocks, why does he get way more tackles, way more TFL, more sacks, more everything? Wheres the benefit of whatever arthur brown is doing better then ogletree?

              Also, if hes as good as David, then whats the point of David making so many more plays, behind teh line and in coverege?

              WHy does Brown get all these accolades from you guys, when hes a undersized, non playmaking, dosen't rack up tackles like you would think, LB?

              The more i look into Arthur Brown, the less i like... I liked em alot untill really delving into video and production.. For a guy who played in everygame, he rarley impacted the game, and wasen't all over the field making tackles either...

              He only had 4 games of double digit tackles.. Lavonte David had like 10 or something... Ogletree had 7 and he missed 4games.. They also have more plays made as well, in covereg and behind the line.. I'm not getting why there in the same ball park to u guys? Is it what u guys think hes gonna turn into?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by quan the don View Post
                I'm by no means an expert, but I just watched Ogeltree vs Nebraska and he wasn't all that impressive (It sounds like he showed his potential vs Bama so I'll watch that). I just got watching Brown vs Miami, and he looked really good. Once again only two videos I've seen of either. Arthur Brown just seems way more agressive.
                Arthur Brown on the bottom there are more links to games

                http://draftbreakdown.com/arthur-brown-vs-texas-2012


                Ogletree same deal on the bottom done a lot more on him

                http://draftbreakdown.com/alec-oglet...pital-one-bowl

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                  Arthur Brown on the bottom there are more links to games

                  http://draftbreakdown.com/arthur-brown-vs-texas-2012


                  Ogletree same deal on the bottom done a lot more on him

                  http://draftbreakdown.com/alec-oglet...pital-one-bowl
                  Awesome. How did Brown do against Oregon in the bowl game? It would be interesting to see how did against a Chip Kelly Offense.

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                  • #54
                    Watching Brown vs Baylor, and RG3 is so annoying. 3:35 brought joy to my heart!

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                    • #55
                      Just watched the Ogletree and Brown videos posted in the film room and here's my take on those two based on that tape

                      Brown - Made the more consistent plays in the run game but didn't have to deal with blockers on the frequency Ogletree did vs. Nebraska. He does seem to have better instincts than Ogletree as of now but I do worry about this guy way more than Ogletree in the future handling NFL caliber run games in the event his Dline doesn't keep him consistently clean. He displayed good discipline too and being completely honest, I'd rather have Brown on my team for a game TOMORROW.

                      Ogletree - He looked lost at times and was "erased" on some plays due to his Dline getting pushed around on the interior. What stood out to me was the flash plays he made by making a scrapy move on the ball in a 3rd and short situation to cause a forced fumble and it was at a very crucial moment. Don't forget the sack he had to close the game. He also can obviously put on another 10lbs and not lose any speed to affect his playmaking ability sideline to sideline.

                      Conclusion: Brown looks like he can be a really good weakside linebacker. Ogletree has a MUCH higher ceiling to be a big time impact linebacker in the league but he could bust if he goes to the wrong team and/or doesn't get put on a good conditioning and weightlifting program. Putting weight on Ogletree's frame is going to arguably be the biggest factor in his NFL future.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                        Just watched the Ogletree and Brown videos posted in the film room and here's my take on those two based on that tape

                        Brown - Made the more consistent plays in the run game but didn't have to deal with blockers on the frequency Ogletree did vs. Nebraska. He does seem to have better instincts than Ogletree as of now but I do worry about this guy way more than Ogletree in the future handling NFL caliber run games in the event his Dline doesn't keep him consistently clean. He displayed good discipline too and being completely honest, I'd rather have Brown on my team for a game TOMORROW.

                        Ogletree - He looked lost at times and was "erased" on some plays due to his Dline getting pushed around on the interior. What stood out to me was the flash plays he made by making a scrapy move on the ball in a 3rd and short situation to cause a forced fumble and it was at a very crucial moment. Don't forget the sack he had to close the game. He also can obviously put on another 10lbs and not lose any speed to affect his playmaking ability sideline to sideline.

                        Conclusion: Brown looks like he can be a really good weakside linebacker. Ogletree has a MUCH higher ceiling to be a big time impact linebacker in the league but he could bust if he goes to the wrong team and/or doesn't get put on a good conditioning and weightlifting program. Putting weight on Ogletree's frame is going to arguably be the biggest factor in his NFL future.
                        Good breakdown. thanks.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                          David was way more productive and impacted games more then Arthur Brown... I know u guys hate stats, but David had over 130tackles, 5.5sacks, 2FF, 2FR, 13TFL, 2INTS..etc Brown had a stretch of 7straight games he didn't reach double digits in tackles which guys like Ogletree and David never came near...

                          Thats what i don't get, is if Brown is so much better then Ogletree, and Ogletrees not good at geting off blocks, why does he get way more tackles, way more TFL, more sacks, more everything? Wheres the benefit of whatever arthur brown is doing better then ogletree?

                          Also, if hes as good as David, then whats the point of David making so many more plays, behind teh line and in coverege?

                          WHy does Brown get all these accolades from you guys, when hes a undersized, non playmaking, dosen't rack up tackles like you would think, LB?

                          The more i look into Arthur Brown, the less i like... I liked em alot untill really delving into video and production.. For a guy who played in everygame, he rarley impacted the game, and wasen't all over the field making tackles either...

                          He only had 4 games of double digit tackles.. Lavonte David had like 10 or something... Ogletree had 7 and he missed 4games.. They also have more plays made as well, in covereg and behind the line.. I'm not getting why there in the same ball park to u guys? Is it what u guys think hes gonna turn into?
                          Khaseem Greene is another player that people are hype on but I don't see the hype? I saw in one mock he was taken at the 19th spot and i dug a little more into this kid. He doesn't look like a 1st round talent to me, nothing truly stands out about him besides he has played some safety.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            David was way more productive and impacted games more then Arthur Brown... I know u guys hate stats, but David had over 130tackles, 5.5sacks, 2FF, 2FR, 13TFL, 2INTS..etc Brown had a stretch of 7straight games he didn't reach double digits in tackles which guys like Ogletree and David never came near...

                            Thats what i don't get, is if Brown is so much better then Ogletree, and Ogletrees not good at geting off blocks, why does he get way more tackles, way more TFL, more sacks, more everything? Wheres the benefit of whatever arthur brown is doing better then ogletree?

                            Also, if hes as good as David, then whats the point of David making so many more plays, behind teh line and in coverege?

                            WHy does Brown get all these accolades from you guys, when hes a undersized, non playmaking, dosen't rack up tackles like you would think, LB?

                            The more i look into Arthur Brown, the less i like... I liked em alot untill really delving into video and production.. For a guy who played in everygame, he rarley impacted the game, and wasen't all over the field making tackles either...

                            He only had 4 games of double digit tackles.. Lavonte David had like 10 or something... Ogletree had 7 and he missed 4games.. They also have more plays made as well, in covereg and behind the line.. I'm not getting why there in the same ball park to u guys? Is it what u guys think hes gonna turn into?
                            I remember David coming within a few pics of our 2nder & was thrilled at the idea of having him in NY.....that's one of the few times I actually support trading up,outside of the 1st round & you'd wouldn't lose much to get a steal on a 1st round LBr at the end of the 2nd....but whatever....

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                              Just watched the Ogletree and Brown videos posted in the film room and here's my take on those two based on that tape

                              Brown - Made the more consistent plays in the run game but didn't have to deal with blockers on the frequency Ogletree did vs. Nebraska. He does seem to have better instincts than Ogletree as of now but I do worry about this guy way more than Ogletree in the future handling NFL caliber run games in the event his Dline doesn't keep him consistently clean. He displayed good discipline too and being completely honest, I'd rather have Brown on my team for a game TOMORROW.

                              Ogletree - He looked lost at times and was "erased" on some plays due to his Dline getting pushed around on the interior. What stood out to me was the flash plays he made by making a scrapy move on the ball in a 3rd and short situation to cause a forced fumble and it was at a very crucial moment. Don't forget the sack he had to close the game. He also can obviously put on another 10lbs and not lose any speed to affect his playmaking ability sideline to sideline.

                              Conclusion: Brown looks like he can be a really good weakside linebacker. Ogletree has a MUCH higher ceiling to be a big time impact linebacker in the league but he could bust if he goes to the wrong team and/or doesn't get put on a good conditioning and weightlifting program. Putting weight on Ogletree's frame is going to arguably be the biggest factor in his NFL future.
                              I agree ,Ogletree to me has the highest upside of all the LB's. The negatives with him could be related to inexperience at LB and lower body strength

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                                Just watched the Ogletree and Brown videos posted in the film room and here's my take on those two based on that tape

                                Brown - Made the more consistent plays in the run game but didn't have to deal with blockers on the frequency Ogletree did vs. Nebraska. He does seem to have better instincts than Ogletree as of now but I do worry about this guy way more than Ogletree in the future handling NFL caliber run games in the event his Dline doesn't keep him consistently clean. He displayed good discipline too and being completely honest, I'd rather have Brown on my team for a game TOMORROW.

                                Ogletree - He looked lost at times and was "erased" on some plays due to his Dline getting pushed around on the interior. What stood out to me was the flash plays he made by making a scrapy move on the ball in a 3rd and short situation to cause a forced fumble and it was at a very crucial moment. Don't forget the sack he had to close the game. He also can obviously put on another 10lbs and not lose any speed to affect his playmaking ability sideline to sideline.

                                Conclusion: Brown looks like he can be a really good weakside linebacker. Ogletree has a MUCH higher ceiling to be a big time impact linebacker in the league but he could bust if he goes to the wrong team and/or doesn't get put on a good conditioning and weightlifting program. Putting weight on Ogletree's frame is going to arguably be the biggest factor in his NFL future.
                                +1

                                This was *exactly* my thinking between the two.
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