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  • alec ogeltree vs. manti te'o vs. kasheem greene vs. arthur brown,jr.

    I would love to see us walk away with one of these guys in the first round or 2..my hope is for Ogeltree but Greene is starting to grow on me. anybody have the skinny on Greene? opinions on the others? which fits what we do best? I also am a fan of andrew jackson, LB WKU, but he is going back for his senior season.
    Last edited by ELI_HOF_NYG; 01-17-2013, 02:54 AM.

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    Add gerald hodges...

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    • #3
      Not sure where Greene will play in the NFL.

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      • #4
        MLB is the biggest need on this team.. my guess is Ogletree, see how he does at the combine..

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        • #5
          Ansah has the Giants written all over him.

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          • #6
            wonder how far Te'o will slide now..??

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
              MLB is the biggest need on this team.. my guess is Ogletree, see how he does at the combine..
              I think outside linebacker may be a bigger need.

              In the Tampa 2 the most important linebacker is the weak side backer. The giants have boley who just isn't physical and is declining, rivers who spent all season hurt and is a FA, and J Will who was hurt all season and had some struggles against the run as well. A dominant weak side backer would change this defense a ton. And J will could move to the other lb spot and be a sub package guy.

              Favorite Lb for me in this draft is Arthur brown. Who I do think could eventually become a middle backer, but he has a very nice skill set for weak side too

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              • #8
                Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                Add gerald hodges...
                As a PSU fan, I never saw much in Gerald Hodges. I'm under the impression that he played at 225 this year and is now up to 251 at the E/W shrine game. He doesn't have the "It" factor that Sean Lee, Bowman, and Poz had. Tackling and Coverage skills are very suspect.

                Those thinking Te'o is going to slide over this supposed scandal are off the mark, IMO. Teams are probably going to laugh about it in the combine interviews and immediately move past it. I don't know what planet you guys are from but lying barely counts as a character concern compared to drugs and other crimes.

                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                I think outside linebacker may be a bigger need.

                Favorite Lb for me in this draft is Arthur brown. Who I do think could eventually become a middle backer, but he has a very nice skill set for weak side too
                Agreed. If they can shore up the DT position it would solve a lot of our problems in the middle of the defense. Arthur Brown looks good in coverage and wraps up well.
                Last edited by PBTimmons; 01-17-2013, 09:48 AM.

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                • #9
                  Ogletree then Brown.... but it's close. It will be funny if we get Arthur Brown simply because of how long I've been watching and talking about him. He was one of the most impressive linebackers I had seen coming out of high school (seriously, hunt down his film).
                  Last edited by BlueSabbath; 01-17-2013, 11:20 AM.
                  2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                  Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                  Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                  Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                  Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                  Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                  Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                  Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                  • #10
                    Get Brown so he can help stop his brother.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      I think outside linebacker may be a bigger need.

                      In the Tampa 2 the most important linebacker is the weak side backer. The giants have boley who just isn't physical and is declining, rivers who spent all season hurt and is a FA, and J Will who was hurt all season and had some struggles against the run as well. A dominant weak side backer would change this defense a ton. And J will could move to the other lb spot and be a sub package guy.

                      Favorite Lb for me in this draft is Arthur brown. Who I do think could eventually become a middle backer, but he has a very nice skill set for weak side too
                      Most important position in a Tampa 2 is the MLB not the WILL. MLB is the joker (from the typical MLB role). The WILL performs the same function in the Tampa 2. The MLB has to cover more ground (and gets dropped into coverage more) in a Tampa 2.

                      Ogletree could play either though imo. JWill could *not* play MIKE or SAM with any consistency. How do you put a guy who you say is weak against the run (and I agree ... JWill is not strong against the run) at the SAM or MIKE spots?!

                      Not sure Arthur Brown has the size for either the WILL (kind of short compared to Ogletree) or the MLB (light). At 6'1, I'm not sure how much more weight his frame could take and still sustain his speed which is one of his strong points.

                      Ogletree and Brown are currently ranked really close to each other but I have a feeling Ogletree will rise while Brown will stay around a mid to late 2nd rounder (meaning Brown might be available to us where Ogletree might not).
                      I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                        Ansah has the Giants written all over him.
                        I think so too and I have a hard time seeing Reese picking an MLB in the first three rounds (although I think we need one).
                        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                          Add gerald hodges...
                          Gerald Hodges is a sensational OLB prospect.. I am huge Ogletree, Greene, and Minter fans first and foremost, but have no problem with Brown, Hodges , and Red**** either.. Red**** had a monster season and really turned it on toward the end, had like 15.5 TFL or something...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                            Most important position in a Tampa 2 is the MLB not the WILL. MLB is the joker (from the typical MLB role). The WILL performs the same function in the Tampa 2. The MLB has to cover more ground (and gets dropped into coverage more) in a Tampa 2.

                            Ogletree could play either though imo. JWill could *not* play MIKE or SAM with any consistency. How do you put a guy who you say is weak against the run (and I agree ... JWill is not strong against the run) at the SAM or MIKE spots?!

                            Not sure Arthur Brown has the size for either the WILL (kind of short compared to Ogletree) or the MLB (light). At 6'1, I'm not sure how much more weight his frame could take and still sustain his speed which is one of his strong points.

                            Ogletree and Brown are currently ranked really close to each other but I have a feeling Ogletree will rise while Brown will stay around a mid to late 2nd rounder (meaning Brown might be available to us where Ogletree might not).
                            I think Brown is a WLB all day.. Hes not even listed at 230 for petes sake.. Hes also on the short side.. I'd rather have Brown at WLB, and maybe draft Kevin Red**** to play the middle in the 4th, if hes on the board still...

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                            • #15
                              Both the Will and Mike get dropped the same. The mike just has a deeper drop, while the will has more responsibilities against the run.

                              The will absolutely is more critical to have a great player.

                              The bucs, bears, vikings, colts, etc. When they were running the Tampa 2 all had tremendous Will backers.

                              Lance Briggs, Derrick brooks, chad Greenway, Cato June, etc. all are better than the middle backers on their teams apart from Briggs, though you could argue he is as good as Urlacher.

                              As for being too short, Lets see

                              Briggs - 6'1
                              Greenway - 6'2
                              Brooks - 6'0
                              June - 6'0

                              Arthur Brown is 6'1. So his size is not an issue in the least


                              As for J Will. He is a weak side backer as well. But now that he is up to 230+ he could play some Sam. He already spends a lot of his time on the field matched up against TEs
                              Last edited by slipknottin; 01-17-2013, 12:09 PM.

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