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  • #31
    If you're a linebacker that can't play three downs, we don't need you regardless of what round. Said the same thing about Greg Jones even though he was a 6th rder.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      I still wonder what exactly the point of adding a two down linebacker who offers nothing as a pass rusher is.

      Do they need a new SAM that can't cover and has to come of the field that badly?
      I still wonder why our linebackers suck and have sucked for years yet we fail to address the situation with an early pick.
      2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

      Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
      Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
      Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
      Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
      Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
      Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
      Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
        If you're a linebacker that can't play three downs, we don't need you regardless of what round. Said the same thing about Greg Jones even though he was a 6th rder.
        I don't think he'd just be a two down guy if we drafted him. While he's not the best linebacker against the pass and does have some weaknesses, my point is that I think he'd be serviceable in pass defense and upgrade our rush defense. If he sucked, well, par for the course with the way we've been drafting LBs. I thought Dillard and Jones would suck... I don't think NJ would. Not really much more we can say on the guy... if you guys have some other targets for 4th or later, let's talk about them.
        2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

        Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
        Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
        Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
        Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
        Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
        Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
        Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
          I still wonder why our linebackers suck and have sucked for years yet we fail to address the situation with an early pick.
          You mean like an early 2nd rounder? Oh wait...

          What position on this team have they drafted early that they haven't needed?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
            I don't think he'd just be a two down guy if we drafted him. While he's not the best linebacker against the pass and does have some weaknesses, my point is that I think he'd be serviceable in pass defense and upgrade our rush defense. If he sucked, well, par for the course with the way we've been drafting LBs. I thought Dillard and Jones would suck... I don't think NJ would. Not really much more we can say on the guy... if you guys have some other targets for 4th or later, let's talk about them.
            He's a two down linebacker in college. Why would he all of a sudden be a three down player in the nfl?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
              He's a two down linebacker in college. Why would he all of a sudden be a three down player in the nfl?
              Because of the talent around him. I'm not guaranteeing he will. Just that in this draft, if we pick late, I'd gamble on him. Yall are making good points, just call it a gut feeling.

              The only DE you have on your mock is in the third round and you seem to admit he'd only play on passing downs.
              Last edited by BlueSabbath; 01-23-2013, 12:31 PM.
              2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

              Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
              Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
              Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
              Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
              Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
              Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
              Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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              • #37
                Would rather have a SAM LB who can offer pass rushing abilities on 3rd down and can also offer sound coverage skills with natural hips. Johnson is a good teammate but I think he's a ST player in the NFL.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
                  Because of the talent around him. I'm not guaranteeing he will. Just that in this draft, if we pick late, I'd gamble on him. Yall are making good points, just call it a gut feeling.

                  The only DE you have on your mock is in the third round and you seem to admit he'd only play on passing downs.
                  A Situational Pass Rusher is a hell of a lot more valuable than a 2 Down LB

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                    Would rather have a SAM LB who can offer pass rushing abilities on 3rd down and can also offer sound coverage skills with natural hips. Johnson is a good teammate but I think he's a ST player in the NFL.
                    I wouldnt pigeon hole him that much he could play on early downs possibly I just dont think he would be a Nickel player. I

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      A Situational Pass Rusher is a hell of a lot more valuable than a 2 Down LB
                      I agree (sure as hell wouldn't want our only DE taken that early to be someone I think is only a situational pass rusher though) but again, I don't necessarily think Nico would only be a 2 down LB on our roster. Like I said, more of a gut feeling and thinking if we address LB late, I want someone with championship and SEC experience... and again, this has a lot to do with what I think of this class of LBs. I don't like that many outside of some early guys. A different year, I probably wouldn't be arguing much for a LB of his caliber. Still looking at some other guys that will be around late but for now, I'm all for Nico if we wait (which just to be clear, I don't want us to do).
                      2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                      Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                      Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                      Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                      Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                      Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                      Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                      Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                        He wasnt just pulled for Mosley. He was also behind Depriest . What he did in HS means nothing. Almost every good college player played both Offense and defense really well in HS. Nico was the back up strongside inside LB and the Run Package Weakside inside LB
                        Your correct, essentially what he did in High School has no bearing on what he can do at the Pro level. I guess my point was he was an every snap player in high school and was dominant running the ball and working sideline to sideline on defense as well as pass coverage. He played HS ball an hour from where I live so I saw him several times when our local school played them. IMHO from what I have seen in person both at Andulusia High School and the University of Alabama be a run only LB is not an accurate assessment. Alabama is loaded with interchangeable talent. Concerns about his coverage ability exist only because he was not asked to do it. He has good speed, agility, smarts and toughness. To say he is going to be a 2 down LB is just tunnel vision. He was quoted this week at the Senior Bowl " I want to showcase everything I know I'm good at and showcase the things people have said I am not good at. People don't think I'm good at pass coverage. I have never really had a true chance to showcase that I can play on passing downs." I guess we will have a better gauge to decide what he can bring to the table after the Senior Bowl but right now it's a bit premature to label him a run only 2 down backer.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Shockeystays08 View Post
                          Your correct, essentially what he did in High School has no bearing on what he can do at the Pro level. I guess my point was he was an every snap player in high school and was dominant running the ball and working sideline to sideline on defense as well as pass coverage. He played HS ball an hour from where I live so I saw him several times when our local school played them. IMHO from what I have seen in person both at Andulusia High School and the University of Alabama be a run only LB is not an accurate assessment. Alabama is loaded with interchangeable talent. Concerns about his coverage ability exist only because he was not asked to do it. He has good speed, agility, smarts and toughness. To say he is going to be a 2 down LB is just tunnel vision. He was quoted this week at the Senior Bowl " I want to showcase everything I know I'm good at and showcase the things people have said I am not good at. People don't think I'm good at pass coverage. I have never really had a true chance to showcase that I can play on passing downs." I guess we will have a better gauge to decide what he can bring to the table after the Senior Bowl but right now it's a bit premature to label him a run only 2 down backer.

                          I obviously agree with this and that's sort of my point. Just because Nico hasn't been used much in pass coverage, doesn't mean he can't do it. Maybe it does though, I see potential. Saying that Saban didn't trust him on passing situations is fair criticism but he also had the luxury to change out with incredible talent. Arthur Brown couldn't make it on the field at Miami, so he transferred. If Nico had transferred my guess is that he would have been a full time starter and we'd see more of what I think he can do. Not to mention, just because Nico played mostly on running situations, doesn't mean he never dropped into coverage. He did. I've gone back and watched a couple games and he does disappear in games when Alabama takes the lead or as mentioned, on obvious passing situations. But what I see when I watch him is a guy that moves really well, plays gaps really well and knows how to tackle. Long story short I totally understand some people being skeptical, but I see a lot of things that I like.
                          2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                          Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                          Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                          Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                          Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                          Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                          Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                          Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                            I wouldnt pigeon hole him that much he could play on early downs possibly I just dont think he would be a Nickel player. I
                            Nico Johnson is Erik Walden.. Another words, he can be decent, but nothing 2 special probably and most likely a 3/4 backer... I can understand why some might be intrigued, but i don't think he'd be that much a help to us, as he dosen't get to the QB to often, and litteraly only is a 2down run stuffer.. I'd rather draft Kevin Red**** and put em at SLB, then have Nico, to be honest...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                              Nico Johnson is Erik Walden.. Another words, he can be decent, but nothing 2 special probably and most likely a 3/4 backer... I can understand why some might be intrigued, but i don't think he'd be that much a help to us, as he dosen't get to the QB to often, and litteraly only is a 2down run stuffer.. I'd rather draft Kevin Red**** and put em at SLB, then have Nico, to be honest...
                              I'd have no problem with Red****.
                              2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                              Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                              Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                              Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                              Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                              Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                              Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                              Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                                Nico Johnson is Erik Walden.. Another words, he can be decent, but nothing 2 special probably and most likely a 3/4 backer... I can understand why some might be intrigued, but i don't think he'd be that much a help to us, as he dosen't get to the QB to often, and litteraly only is a 2down run stuffer.. I'd rather draft Kevin Red**** and put em at SLB, then have Nico, to be honest...
                                Yes a better fit

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