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  • BlueSabbath
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    Nico Johnson LB, Alabama

    I posted this in another thread about linebackers, but figured I'd give it it's on thread.

    A guy to keep an eye on a little later in the draft is Nico Johnson. 5* out of high school and had a solid but quiet career at Alabama (freshman All SEC). His biggest problems were the amount of talent surrounding him. I'm not convinced a guy like Minter would be that much better (if at all) than Johnson and you could get him later. At Alabama he was more of a run stopping linebacker, while Mosley was more of a passing down LB but he still moves REALLY well for his size and rarely gets knocked back. Another guy I'd be REALLY happy to land. He's listed at 6'3 245 but it seems Alabama's guys always measure a little shorter at the combine/pro day. What I like is that he seems to be under the radar right now, perhaps because he wasn't a consistent starter (depended on what type of offense Alabama faced, run heavy vs pass heavy).
    junior highlights:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJBTRPyY5lw

    Gets to the outside really well, plays gaps well, shows an ability to shed blocks, reads plays really well and although there's not much footage here of him in coverage, he shows that he can handle it. Most importantly I see him taking on big SEC RBs and standing his ground.

  • Shockeystays08
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    I think your overrating his agility straight line speed is good but he is kind of tight hipped . I think he would be better off in a 3-4 where he wouldnt cover as much ground. Funny thing is he probably would be the best MLB on the Giants LOL
    It will be interesting to see how he pans out. I respect your opinion and knowledge.

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  • Redeyejedi
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    Originally posted by Shockeystays08 View Post
    Your correct, essentially what he did in High School has no bearing on what he can do at the Pro level. I guess my point was he was an every snap player in high school and was dominant running the ball and working sideline to sideline on defense as well as pass coverage. He played HS ball an hour from where I live so I saw him several times when our local school played them. IMHO from what I have seen in person both at Andulusia High School and the University of Alabama be a run only LB is not an accurate assessment. Alabama is loaded with interchangeable talent. Concerns about his coverage ability exist only because he was not asked to do it. He has good speed, agility, smarts and toughness. To say he is going to be a 2 down LB is just tunnel vision. He was quoted this week at the Senior Bowl " I want to showcase everything I know I'm good at and showcase the things people have said I am not good at. People don't think I'm good at pass coverage. I have never really had a true chance to showcase that I can play on passing downs." I guess we will have a better gauge to decide what he can bring to the table after the Senior Bowl but right now it's a bit premature to label him a run only 2 down backer.
    I think your overrating his agility straight line speed is good but he is kind of tight hipped . I think he would be better off in a 3-4 where he wouldnt cover as much ground. Funny thing is he probably would be the best MLB on the Giants LOL

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  • myles2424
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    Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
    Wow, I was able to find one of my mocks from last year.

    1. Kevin Zeitler (OG)-Wisconsin
    2. Lamar Miller (RB)-Miami or Doug Martin (RB)-Boise St
    3. Brandon Boykin (CB/KR)-UGA
    4. Michael Egnew (TE)-Missouri
    5. Joe Adams (WR) Arkansas
    6. Demario Davis (LB) Arkansas State (my sleeper. I think his draft is going to jump up though when he hits the combine)


    I know I did others cause oddly enough I was pushing for Dont'a Hightower in the first. Also remember I was high on Vick Ballard as midround guy and Bryce Brown with our last pick, Dequan Menzie, Senio Kelemete, Bernard Pierce, Olivier Vernon. Probably some others that haven't panned out.
    I was definetly with Miller/martin & egnew/Adams....I was huge on Lavonte David, when he came close to our 2nd rounder i thought forsure we'd get agressive & move up, but oh well...

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  • BlueSabbath
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Hey Bluesabbath, who did u used to be on here? I thought i read u had trouble getting ur account switched over and had 2 start new one.. U seem like one of the old regs?

    Wow, I was able to find one of my mocks from last year.

    1. Kevin Zeitler (OG)-Wisconsin
    2. Lamar Miller (RB)-Miami or Doug Martin (RB)-Boise St
    3. Brandon Boykin (CB/KR)-UGA
    4. Michael Egnew (TE)-Missouri
    5. Joe Adams (WR) Arkansas
    6. Demario Davis (LB) Arkansas State (my sleeper. I think his draft is going to jump up though when he hits the combine)


    I know I did others cause oddly enough I was pushing for Dont'a Hightower in the first. Also remember I was high on Vick Ballard as midround guy and Bryce Brown with our last pick, Dequan Menzie, Senio Kelemete, Bernard Pierce, Olivier Vernon. Probably some others that haven't panned out.

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  • myles2424
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    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    You mean like an early 2nd rounder? Oh wait...

    What position on this team have they drafted early that they haven't needed?
    I think hes reffering to a LB that actually fits our system

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  • BlueSabbath
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Hey Bluesabbath, who did u used to be on here? I thought i read u had trouble getting ur account switched over and had 2 start new one.. U seem like one of the old regs?
    I've had a couple.. I can't even remember my original. I remember trying a ton of different names that were already taken, can't remember what I ended up with. Didn't post on the boards for a really long time (had websense at work and I don't do internet at home)... so I lost that one... then I was using (pretty sure it was) CRITTERS last year and maybe the year before. I believe the boards went down for some time and when I came back I couldn't get that username to work anymore. So I just started this one. I've actually been meaning to ask if the boards were down for everyone for a long while. I still recognize most of the posters on here though even though the site is different.

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
    I'd have no problem with Red****.
    Hey Bluesabbath, who did u used to be on here? I thought i read u had trouble getting ur account switched over and had 2 start new one.. U seem like one of the old regs?

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  • Redeyejedi
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Nico Johnson is Erik Walden.. Another words, he can be decent, but nothing 2 special probably and most likely a 3/4 backer... I can understand why some might be intrigued, but i don't think he'd be that much a help to us, as he dosen't get to the QB to often, and litteraly only is a 2down run stuffer.. I'd rather draft Kevin Red**** and put em at SLB, then have Nico, to be honest...
    Yes a better fit

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  • BlueSabbath
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Nico Johnson is Erik Walden.. Another words, he can be decent, but nothing 2 special probably and most likely a 3/4 backer... I can understand why some might be intrigued, but i don't think he'd be that much a help to us, as he dosen't get to the QB to often, and litteraly only is a 2down run stuffer.. I'd rather draft Kevin Red**** and put em at SLB, then have Nico, to be honest...
    I'd have no problem with Red****.

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  • nycsportzfan
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    I wouldnt pigeon hole him that much he could play on early downs possibly I just dont think he would be a Nickel player. I
    Nico Johnson is Erik Walden.. Another words, he can be decent, but nothing 2 special probably and most likely a 3/4 backer... I can understand why some might be intrigued, but i don't think he'd be that much a help to us, as he dosen't get to the QB to often, and litteraly only is a 2down run stuffer.. I'd rather draft Kevin Red**** and put em at SLB, then have Nico, to be honest...

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  • BlueSabbath
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    Originally posted by Shockeystays08 View Post
    Your correct, essentially what he did in High School has no bearing on what he can do at the Pro level. I guess my point was he was an every snap player in high school and was dominant running the ball and working sideline to sideline on defense as well as pass coverage. He played HS ball an hour from where I live so I saw him several times when our local school played them. IMHO from what I have seen in person both at Andulusia High School and the University of Alabama be a run only LB is not an accurate assessment. Alabama is loaded with interchangeable talent. Concerns about his coverage ability exist only because he was not asked to do it. He has good speed, agility, smarts and toughness. To say he is going to be a 2 down LB is just tunnel vision. He was quoted this week at the Senior Bowl " I want to showcase everything I know I'm good at and showcase the things people have said I am not good at. People don't think I'm good at pass coverage. I have never really had a true chance to showcase that I can play on passing downs." I guess we will have a better gauge to decide what he can bring to the table after the Senior Bowl but right now it's a bit premature to label him a run only 2 down backer.

    I obviously agree with this and that's sort of my point. Just because Nico hasn't been used much in pass coverage, doesn't mean he can't do it. Maybe it does though, I see potential. Saying that Saban didn't trust him on passing situations is fair criticism but he also had the luxury to change out with incredible talent. Arthur Brown couldn't make it on the field at Miami, so he transferred. If Nico had transferred my guess is that he would have been a full time starter and we'd see more of what I think he can do. Not to mention, just because Nico played mostly on running situations, doesn't mean he never dropped into coverage. He did. I've gone back and watched a couple games and he does disappear in games when Alabama takes the lead or as mentioned, on obvious passing situations. But what I see when I watch him is a guy that moves really well, plays gaps really well and knows how to tackle. Long story short I totally understand some people being skeptical, but I see a lot of things that I like.

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  • Shockeystays08
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    He wasnt just pulled for Mosley. He was also behind Depriest . What he did in HS means nothing. Almost every good college player played both Offense and defense really well in HS. Nico was the back up strongside inside LB and the Run Package Weakside inside LB
    Your correct, essentially what he did in High School has no bearing on what he can do at the Pro level. I guess my point was he was an every snap player in high school and was dominant running the ball and working sideline to sideline on defense as well as pass coverage. He played HS ball an hour from where I live so I saw him several times when our local school played them. IMHO from what I have seen in person both at Andulusia High School and the University of Alabama be a run only LB is not an accurate assessment. Alabama is loaded with interchangeable talent. Concerns about his coverage ability exist only because he was not asked to do it. He has good speed, agility, smarts and toughness. To say he is going to be a 2 down LB is just tunnel vision. He was quoted this week at the Senior Bowl " I want to showcase everything I know I'm good at and showcase the things people have said I am not good at. People don't think I'm good at pass coverage. I have never really had a true chance to showcase that I can play on passing downs." I guess we will have a better gauge to decide what he can bring to the table after the Senior Bowl but right now it's a bit premature to label him a run only 2 down backer.

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  • BlueSabbath
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    A Situational Pass Rusher is a hell of a lot more valuable than a 2 Down LB
    I agree (sure as hell wouldn't want our only DE taken that early to be someone I think is only a situational pass rusher though) but again, I don't necessarily think Nico would only be a 2 down LB on our roster. Like I said, more of a gut feeling and thinking if we address LB late, I want someone with championship and SEC experience... and again, this has a lot to do with what I think of this class of LBs. I don't like that many outside of some early guys. A different year, I probably wouldn't be arguing much for a LB of his caliber. Still looking at some other guys that will be around late but for now, I'm all for Nico if we wait (which just to be clear, I don't want us to do).

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  • Redeyejedi
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    Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    Would rather have a SAM LB who can offer pass rushing abilities on 3rd down and can also offer sound coverage skills with natural hips. Johnson is a good teammate but I think he's a ST player in the NFL.
    I wouldnt pigeon hole him that much he could play on early downs possibly I just dont think he would be a Nickel player. I

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