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  • 4-3 LB, a dying breed ?

    With lots of school programs playing 3-4 D and hybrids systems scheming against wide spreed O's it seems every year finding a " true " 4-3 MLB gets more and more difficult. The talent level gap between Te'o and Ogletree and the rest of the MLB seems quite considerable. This is nothing new as we all know and have living proof on our team with Fewell running the 3 safety look often and relying less of a MLB in his system. This year isn't the exception with only Te'o and Ogletree worthy of 1st round pick and of course Te'p looks like he would battle to fit Fewell system and Ogletree a reach at 19. Another year without a " true MLB " ? Thougths?
    " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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    It wont happen but do you think the Giants have the personal to switch to a 3-4..?

    DT - Tuck / Canty
    NT - Lival
    OLB - JPP / Kiwi
    ILB - Blackburn?? / I have no idea

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    • #3
      I wasn't giving thought of changing to a 3-4 D bro just venting my frustration in the lack of talent year in and year out in the MLB position coming out of college and/or the " swing and miss " attitude the Giants have taken addressing our MLB position in recent years playing serviciable guys like Chase or experimenting for so long IMO with rookies or journeyman .
      " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
        I wasn't giving thought of changing to a 3-4 D bro just venting my frustration in the lack of talent year in and year out in the MLB position coming out of college and/or the " swing and miss " attitude the Giants have taken addressing our MLB position in recent years playing serviciable guys like Chase or experimenting for so long IMO with rookies or journeyman .
        we really need to come away with a talented LB prospect in this year or next years draft. the two championship games today proved how important good linebackers really are. san fran's LB core is just absolutely filthy, I would love to have just one of them.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
          I wasn't giving thought of changing to a 3-4 D bro just venting my frustration in the lack of talent year in and year out in the MLB position coming out of college and/or the " swing and miss " attitude the Giants have taken addressing our MLB position in recent years playing serviciable guys like Chase or experimenting for so long IMO with rookies or journeyman .
          yea I got ya.. I was just thinking out loud I guess.. Giants are in a position to address the MLB in Ogletree at #19 or Te'o... eek

          I dont think Ogletree is a reach at all at #19.. He might actually be off the board when NY picks
          Last edited by Carter.525; 01-21-2013, 12:18 AM.

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          • #6
            and yes.. it's been frustrating

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
              we really need to come away with a talented LB prospect in this year or next years draft. the two championship games today proved how important good linebackers really are. san fran's LB core is just absolutely filthy, I would love to have just one of them.
              Who do you have in mind ?
              " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
                yea I got ya.. I was just thinking out loud I guess.. Giants are in a position to address the MLB in Ogletree at #19 or Te'o... eek

                I dont think Ogletree is a reach at all at #19.. He might actually be off the board when NY picks
                Do you really think the Giants are pulling the trigger on Te'o or Ogletree ir available ?
                " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
                  Do you really think the Giants are pulling the trigger on Te'o or Ogletree ir available ?
                  I was shocked by the Wilson pick, but it was a need.. I think MLB is the biggest need

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                  • #10
                    I don't know why, but I think Manti is going to break down in a few seasons, ala Brian Bosworth.
                    Ogletree is too light for MLB in a 4-3 in the pros, and we need a big upgrade there, but he's a danged good LB.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
                      Who do you have in mind ?
                      alec ogeltree, love the kid. some will complain that he cant shed blocks but that is not accurate. does he need help in that department? yes..is it just a matter of getting stronger and adding weight? I would think so. You can find weakness in every prospect in the draft, that's why they are prospects. he plays MLB for Georgia in the SEC against top players and teams. he is a converted safety a la brian urlacher and the boy can run. he also excels in coverage and against the run. He currently stands 6'3 232 with a long athletic frame with plenty of room to grow, and possesses all the tools to be a 3 down LB. the problem is I believe he is gone by 19, and if so then nobody else interests me in the first. possibly arthur brown or kasheem greene in the 2nd if they are still there.

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                      • #12
                        I also think he has the tools to be a MLB at the next level but I feel like he is going to be available at 19 but that been said don't think the Giants are willing to spend the a first for him.
                        Last edited by G-Men Surg.; 01-21-2013, 02:01 AM. Reason: Error
                        " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                          alec ogeltree, love the kid. some will complain that he cant shed blocks but that is not accurate. does he need help in that department? yes..is it just a matter of getting stronger and adding weight? I would think so. You can find weakness in every prospect in the draft, that's why they are prospects. he plays MLB for Georgia in the SEC against top players and teams. he is a converted safety a la brian urlacher and the boy can run. he also excels in coverage and against the run. He currently stands 6'3 232 with a long athletic frame with plenty of room to grow, and possesses all the tools to be a 3 down LB. the problem is I believe he is gone by 19, and if so then nobody else interests me in the first. possibly arthur brown or kasheem greene in the 2nd if they are still there.
                          I also think he has the tools to be a MLB at the next level but I feel like he is going to be available at 19 but that been said don't think the Giants are willing to spend the a first for him.
                          " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
                            I was shocked by the Wilson pick, but it was a need.. I think MLB is the biggest need
                            I would not be angry if the Giants draft Alec but sure will be shock if the do, at least with the first pick.
                            " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                            • #15
                              Don't think it's a dying breed . just that the gmen suck at picking linebackers. Williams is the last decent one they pick in a long time. This yr I hoping for Kevin Red**** of UNC in the 2nd rd. Think he is very underrated.

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