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  • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    Te'o struggled too much against Alabama (the closest thing you will get to an NFL line) for my liking as our 1st round pick. Honestly, I'd rather have Ogletree, Greene, or Brown over him in terms of traditional, non-pass rushing LBs. He would be an excellent fit in a 3-4 scheme like the Steelers though.
    Thats one game and ND struggled as a team...Every great player, including HOF'ers had their bad games. That doesn't suggest they are not NFL ready and some of them weren't. What kind of leader are you? do you love the game/competing? there are several insights that make up the player other than stats and he seems to have a passion for the game and that will not only make you better but make others around feed off that passion and they too become better because they start to want it more by "osmosis"...Ray Lewis is a great example...not that I am saying T'eo is the next RL.

    I would like Ogletree and maybe at 19 I could deal with that pick but I think we can get him 5 spots back or so in the first...maybe he falls into the second.

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      • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
        Thats one game and ND struggled as a team...Every great player, including HOF'ers had their bad games. That doesn't suggest they are not NFL ready and some of them weren't. What kind of leader are you? do you love the game/competing? there are several insights that make up the player other than stats and he seems to have a passion for the game and that will not only make you better but make others around feed off that passion and they too become better because they start to want it more by "osmosis"...Ray Lewis is a great example...not that I am saying T'eo is the next RL.

        I would like Ogletree and maybe at 19 I could deal with that pick but I think we can get him 5 spots back or so in the first...maybe he falls into the second.
        If it should turn out that Te'o orchestrated the girlfriend fiasco, don't be shocked if the Giants pass if he's still there at 19 First, we have biger issues on either line. Second, he's going to be carrying a lot of baggage in this media market. Every thing he does will be painfully scrutinized to death.

        Can he handle that and does the team want to?
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            I think they prefer the front four approach now because of the more mobile QB's. But you have to have impact players which we were missing last season.

            Jacquian Williams, if healthy, will help this season. As could Rivers if he can get healthy
            The mere sight and sounds of those words "...if healthy.." makes my ****ing skin crawl.

            ...I am so sick of hoping these guys stay healthy to the potential detriment of the entire group. We don't have the best trainers which is, perenially, why we usually have the longest list of injuries of any team in the NFL. Our LBs are in an annual state of languish by mid-October, leading up to our annual mid-season collapse. Combine that with a typical loss of S Kenny Phillips and Perry Fewell's catatonic panic reaction.

            We need an slight overhaul with well-selected pieces just in this area to give the proper jolt this team needs.

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            • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
              Thats one game and ND struggled as a team...Every great player, including HOF'ers had their bad games. That doesn't suggest they are not NFL ready and some of them weren't. What kind of leader are you? do you love the game/competing? there are several insights that make up the player other than stats and he seems to have a passion for the game and that will not only make you better but make others around feed off that passion and they too become better because they start to want it more by "osmosis"...Ray Lewis is a great example...not that I am saying T'eo is the next RL.

              I would like Ogletree and maybe at 19 I could deal with that pick but I think we can get him 5 spots back or so in the first...maybe he falls into the second.
              But the fact it was against the best OL he had seen in his entire college career is what worries me about taking him with the 1st pick. There are legitimate questions about his athleticism at the next level. Will he be able to produce the sort of plays in the backfield against NFL level TEs when he has to consistently deal with athletes on his level or better? He could be Ray Lewis 2.0 or he could be Aaron Curry 2.0. If you are going to take someone with your 1st round pick, he shouldn't have questions about his athletic upside.

              I suggest you watch the film of Ogletree vs. Alabama and see how much better he did vs Te'o. Huge plus in my book that he arguably had one of his best games in the most important game of his college career. If he has a huge combine like expected, don't be surprised if he is picked ahead of Te'o.

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              • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
                The mere sight and sounds of those words "...if healthy.." makes my ****ing skin crawl.

                ...I am so sick of hoping these guys stay healthy to the potential detriment of the entire group. We don't have the best trainers which is, perenially, why we usually have the longest list of injuries of any team in the NFL. Our LBs are in an annual state of languish by mid-October, leading up to our annual mid-season collapse. Combine that with a typical loss of S Kenny Phillips and Perry Fewell's catatonic panic reaction.

                We need an slight overhaul with well-selected pieces just in this area to give the proper jolt this team needs.

                We actually had an entire thread about who has the most injured players in 2012 and the Giants were closer to the bottom of the list than the top. It really has nothing to do with the trainers. Injuries happen to every team,
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  If it should turn out that Te'o orchestrated the girlfriend fiasco, don't be shocked if the Giants pass if he's still there at 19 First, we have biger issues on either line. Second, he's going to be carrying a lot of baggage in this media market. Every thing he does will be painfully scrutinized to death.

                  Can he handle that and does the team want to?
                  I agree with this but all signs NOW suggest he had nothing to do with it other than being gullible. That is my only worry with him but maybe all of this lights a fire under him. If he did create some of this BS then I don't want him hear...Shockey was a headcase and I can't stand that personality type. I understand the baggage issue but if he can compartmentalize that and show what kind of player he can be (starting with the Combine) this can easily be put behind him. I see this also exploding like Tebow but the difference is, Tebow didn't have the ability at his position that T'eo has at LB.

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                  • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
                    I agree with this but all signs NOW suggest he had nothing to do with it other than being gullible. That is my only worry with him but maybe all of this lights a fire under him. If he did create some of this BS then I don't want him hear...Shockey was a headcase and I can't stand that personality type. I understand the baggage issue but if he can compartmentalize that and show what kind of player he can be (starting with the Combine) this can easily be put behind him. I see this also exploding like Tebow but the difference is, Tebow didn't have the ability at his position that T'eo has at LB.
                    It will all come out at some point and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until then. But as is always the case, lying about some act or omission is always treated worse than the original act or omission.
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                      But the fact it was against the best OL he had seen in his entire college career is what worries me about taking him with the 1st pick. There are legitimate questions about his athleticism at the next level. Will he be able to produce the sort of plays in the backfield against NFL level TEs when he has to consistently deal with athletes on his level or better? He could be Ray Lewis 2.0 or he could be Aaron Curry 2.0. If you are going to take someone with your 1st round pick, he shouldn't have questions about his athletic upside.

                      I suggest you watch the film of Ogletree vs. Alabama and see how much better he did vs Te'o. Huge plus in my book that he arguably had one of his best games in the most important game of his college career. If he has a huge combine like expected, don't be surprised if he is picked ahead of Te'o.
                      Noted...I'm not against taking Ogletree at all...I believe they both will have good careers in the NFL. My point is more the focus of our upgrades leaning more to our LB corp than any other unit.

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                      • I think we should address LBer at some point, but definitely not first round.

                        Maybe take a flier on McClain at the bare minimum.
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                        • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                          It will all come out at some point and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until then. But as is always the case, lying about some act or omission is always treated worse than the original act or omission.
                          I'm on board with that! As I mentioned with my reply to TheEnigma, we need a more focused improvement rapidly as opposed to ove several years...in respect to LB's

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                          • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
                            Noted...I'm not against taking Ogletree at all...I believe they both will have good careers in the NFL. My point is more the focus of our upgrades leaning more to our LB corp than any other unit.
                            Only to a certain point. If you got a player on your board that you grade equal with Ogletree who happens to be a pass rusher or cornerback...you take the more important position. Linebackers aren't useless but I'd say that it all starts with solidifying the front 4 and then your defensive backs outside the numbers.

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                            • if he bites that hard on an internet troll just imagine what a NFL playaction will do to him

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                              • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
                                I think this could be our opportunity for a top quality LB and T'eo and Ogletree appear to be in our reach at #19. Maybe even trade a few spots down to get Ogletree...I would select T'eo at 19.

                                I doubt T'eo has issues (other than being a bit of a Herb) and could be the anchor this team has needed since the '90's at MLB. DE can wait further into the 2nd round.

                                I think we need some key pieces in FA and the draft which are attainable, we just need to go for it instead of bringing in cheap help. We need quality Vets with experience. Our MLBs currently don't have the type of accumine you want to transition a 3rd round pick. We need an NFL ready MLB draft pick or proven quality/durable vet who can step right in. The other issue is our OLB's...who is impressed with them? Not me. If we can make 2013 a focus on high quality LB play we may not need so much on the D-line and secondary.

                                I like J. Williams but durability is becoming a potential problem with him...but he becomes great depth otherwise, or possibly OLB in an effort to get the most productive players on the field.

                                If we draft DE and or CB in the first we are going to struggle once again. Fewell asks our CBs way too much cushion in the read and react defense which allows an assault on our LBs with short and midrange success for our opponents. The Giants are only getting more pressure to deal with the read option and we have no talent to defend against it and a worse scheme.

                                I know we need OL help and a great safety against the run that has durability...but, maybe we can solidify our LB corp this season and then reevaluate...maybe the other needs won't be as significant if we stop piece-mealing a defense and focus on a group to repair each season to help the other groups. If we could get an NFL ready MLB in the 1st and a nearly or potentially NFL ready OLB in the 2nd, I'd do it in a second...so trading up with Tuck as potential trade bait...I am for it.
                                i dont know if mlb is a higher priority than o-line, d-line or maybe even corner!

                                i do know they need help at those positions and i think JR will address that concern!

                                my personal preference is draft o-line then d-end and maybe linebacker later!

                                free agency may even produce a high impact backer who will meet our needs!

                                the bottom line is we need to shore up several positions and i hope we can meet those needs!
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