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  • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    But the fact it was against the best OL he had seen in his entire college career is what worries me about taking him with the 1st pick. There are legitimate questions about his athleticism at the next level. Will he be able to produce the sort of plays in the backfield against NFL level TEs when he has to consistently deal with athletes on his level or better? He could be Ray Lewis 2.0 or he could be Aaron Curry 2.0. If you are going to take someone with your 1st round pick, he shouldn't have questions about his athletic upside.

    I suggest you watch the film of Ogletree vs. Alabama and see how much better he did vs Te'o. Huge plus in my book that he arguably had one of his best games in the most important game of his college career. If he has a huge combine like expected, don't be surprised if he is picked ahead of Te'o.
    u got a link of ogeltree vs bama? from the admittedly little ive seen from ogeltree, theres no way id want him at 19. i have serious doubts he can come in and be mlb for us day 1...he needs to get much bigger/wider imo otherwise he'll get handled by the OLs in the NFL. the stuff i have seen on ogeltree, when an OL gets their hands on him, hes done for the play so...

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    • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
      u got a link of ogeltree vs bama? from the admittedly little ive seen from ogeltree, theres no way id want him at 19. i have serious doubts he can come in and be mlb for us day 1...he needs to get much bigger/wider imo otherwise he'll get handled by the OLs in the NFL. the stuff i have seen on ogeltree, when an OL gets their hands on him, hes done for the play so...
      He's not supposed to be a day 1 starter because of exactly what you said but there's no reason a 6'3/6'4 linebacker can't add more weight with only 235 on him at the moment. Don't forget that the great Ray Lewis entered the league on the light side too.

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      • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
        Only to a certain point. If you got a player on your board that you grade equal with Ogletree who happens to be a pass rusher or cornerback...you take the more important position. Linebackers aren't useless but I'd say that it all starts with solidifying the front 4 and then your defensive backs outside the numbers.
        our struggles in those areas are largely due to the weakness we have at LB. We are losing Osi, who in my opinion is the better player of him and Tuck (Tuck lost his passion and has health concerns)...I would prefer to see Kiwi on the line and I wouldn't hate the way-outside chance we retain Osi and trade Tuck. Osi worries me less than Tuck these days and I think Tuck has become a cancer in the locker room, just a feeling I get.

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        • A healthy Williams or Rivers will make a big difference at the LB position next year.

          I'm not sold on Te'o at all. He had a solid career at ND but a lot of his stardom was due to the hype machine at ESPN and other outlets. They even compared him to Ray Lewis which I find odd. When I listen to Te'o I'm lulled to sleep. On the other hand, Ray Lewis can even inspire me and I'm rarely moved by words. On top of that, will Te'o's Mormonism, Samoan background, and reputation after the girlfriend scandal make it harder for other players to accept him as a leader? He may be more of an outcast than one of the boys at first.

          None of the MLB prospects in this draft have really jumped out at me forcing me to think "we must draft this guy". We have holes all over the defense so it may just come down to whoever is the highest rated player on the board.

          Ogletree was suspended in 2010 for misdemeaner theft. He supposedly also has durability issues.
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          • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
            Osi worries me less than Tuck these days and I think Tuck has become a cancer in the locker room, just a feeling I get.
            I haven't seen Tuck give up on plays at least. He just doesn't have the ability that he used to for whatever reason, probably a lot due to injury. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be a captain if he was a cancer. We're not the NY Jets .
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            • I think we need to draft OLine first and LB second
              Football has been very, very good to us.
              After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
              But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

              # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

              1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
              2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
              3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
              4-New York Giants!!!
              5-NE
              Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

              ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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              • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
                our struggles in those areas are largely due to the weakness we have at LB. We are losing Osi, who in my opinion is the better player of him and Tuck (Tuck lost his passion and has health concerns)...I would prefer to see Kiwi on the line and I wouldn't hate the way-outside chance we retain Osi and trade Tuck. Osi worries me less than Tuck these days and I think Tuck has become a cancer in the locker room, just a feeling I get.
                I don't see how Blackburn or Herzlich's lack of sideline to sideline speed affects our pass rush or the breakdown in coverages that Webster/Rolle had on a consistent basis. I can understand and sympathize with everyone wanting a better LBer corp because of how awesome the 80s defense was but our biggest struggles this year were actually against more pass oriented teams like the Bengals, Falcons, and Ravens. We did pretty good against the read option this year with the exception of the 1st Redskins game.

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                • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                  u got a link of ogeltree vs bama? from the admittedly little ive seen from ogeltree, theres no way id want him at 19. i have serious doubts he can come in and be mlb for us day 1...he needs to get much bigger/wider imo otherwise he'll get handled by the OLs in the NFL. the stuff i have seen on ogeltree, when an OL gets their hands on him, hes done for the play so...
                  Weight is less of an issue. Ogletree's complete inability to stack and shed is a far more serious issue.

                  Ogletree is a weakside linebacker at the nfl right now. Run and chase where he doesnt have to take on and shed blockers.

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                  • Knowing the giants they will draft on DLine first
                    Football has been very, very good to us.
                    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                    4-New York Giants!!!
                    5-NE
                    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                      • Originally posted by bansaw View Post
                        if he bites that hard on an internet troll just imagine what a NFL playaction will do to him
                        You do have to Wonderlic lol
                        Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. MB Rule # 1

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                        • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                          I don't see how Blackburn or Herzlich's lack of sideline to sideline speed affects our pass rush or the breakdown in coverages that Webster/Rolle had on a consistent basis. I can understand and sympathize with everyone wanting a better LBer corp because of how awesome the 80s defense was but our biggest struggles this year were actually against more pass oriented teams like the Bengals, Falcons, and Ravens. We did pretty good against the read option this year with the exception of the 1st Redskins game.
                          and we struggled against those passing teams because instead of sending the rush we are dropping DEs into coverage giving even more time to QBs to make a play or even run a draw which ate us up also. Sure, we took Newtons game away from him but Griffin had better skills and more success...I wouldn't say we did well against read "option" in that regard. Our defense was too easily "read-able". if we had LB's that could handle the TE consistently we could send our line..I could almost hear even the least capable QBs laughing as our DEs would drop into coverage.

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                          • Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
                            and we struggled against those passing teams because instead of sending the rush we are dropping DEs into coverage giving even more time to QBs to make a play or even run a draw which ate us up also. Sure, we took Newtons game away from him but Griffin had better skills and more success...I wouldn't say we did well against read "option" in that regard. Our defense was too easily "read-able". if we had LB's that could handle the TE consistently we could send our line..I could almost hear even the least capable QBs laughing as our DEs would drop into coverage.
                            They didnt drop DEs that much. They did use the DEs to jam the TE however.

                            But Im not sure that would change with better LB play. Thats a big part of Fewell's scheme.

                            And there really are very few LBs in the league anymore who are capable of covering TEs. Really you have to use a safety on them

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                            • If the BPA is a LB, I'm all for it. Personally though, I think OL, D-line, and CB are more dire needs.

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                              • Originally posted by egyptian420 View Post
                                If the BPA is a LB, I'm all for it. Personally though, I think OL, D-line, and CB are more dire needs.
                                Agree. They are not only more dire for us at this moment, they are more critical in general for overall success than a LB.

                                Without a dominant or near-dominant OL and DL, other "star" players in skill positions are more often than not neutralized or are not enough to win games. Conversely, dominant lines, on both sides of the ball, can ensure wins with mediocre-good skill players on the field.

                                Always was, always will be. Amen

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