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  • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    For all the talk how great Wisconsin lineman are, Every time I cut a tape of a high level DL prospect against them, They get abused.
    A lot of people on Twitter want to rip the QB's but these events are really hard on them. Timing is everything for a QB and in 3 days of practices how are they supposed to find that. Mobile QB's that can adlib like Manuel have a huge advantage over drop back pocket passers in this environment.

    I dont get why Datone Jones doesnt have a position looks like a 5 tech to me. Basically the same size of Quinton Coples.I like his tape. Ive been going through the Nebraska and Rice games the last 2 days. Probably will do the Houston game 2 because it says he caught a TD pass and I would really like to see that. Jones looks like he could be a beast of an inside pass rusher in the NFL. The Giants have lacked an interior pass rushing presence for a few seasons now. Justin Tuck inside used to be the best thing the defense had going for it.
    Ya, Datone Jones has verstaility which will intrigue Reese, and he'll probably think back to us being at our best in nascar package with tuck beasting from DT positon, i would think..

    I just mocked Datone JOnes to us in the 2nd rd the other day, and the more i learned and saw, he was growing on me, well before this sr bowl week, as was Mallichiah Goodman... I want mad versatility in this draft, to help out with injuries, which are destined to come down on Giants, as it always does...

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    • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
      I dont get why Datone Jones doesnt have a position looks like a 5 tech to me. Basically the same size of Quinton Coples.I like his tape. Ive been going through the Nebraska and Rice games the last 2 days. Probably will do the Houston game 2 because it says he caught a TD pass and I would really like to see that. Jones looks like he could be a beast of an inside pass rusher in the NFL. The Giants have lacked an interior pass rushing presence for a few seasons now. Justin Tuck inside used to be the best thing the defense had going for it.
      Dion Jordan is probably the only guy in the draft I'd say doesn't have a natural position. You could easily stick Jones in a 4-3 on the edge or a 3-4 taking advantage of guards in passing situations. Lots of defenses these days switch between the two schemes more often than they did in the past and versatile Dlinemen have seen their stock increase as a result.

      I think when scouts say they don't know where to use a player just sort of translates into "we're too lazy to make this kid work" Just my two cents though.

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      • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
        Dion Jordan is probably the only guy in the draft I'd say doesn't have a natural position. You could easily stick Jones in a 4-3 on the edge or a 3-4 taking advantage of guards in passing situations. Lots of defenses these days switch between the two schemes more often than they did in the past and versatile Dlinemen have seen their stock increase as a result.

        I think when scouts say they don't know where to use a player just sort of translates into "we're too lazy to make this kid work" Just my two cents though.
        Good post.

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        • Nico looked god awful, he looked lost sometimes, he got caught up in the crowd and was unable to locate the ball carriers was not instinctual. He dropped himself to 5th round I believe, and like i said earlier in the post, makes a strong case for most on here why some are so high on minter.

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          • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
            Nico looked god awful, he looked lost sometimes, he got caught up in the crowd and was unable to locate the ball carriers was not instinctual. He dropped himself to 5th round I believe, and like i said earlier in the post, makes a strong case for most on here why some are so high on minter.
            Nico could make a good future ST captain (I don't mean that in a degrading way) and a quality depth player but he just doesn't "pop" as a starter to me in the NFL.

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            • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
              Dion Jordan is probably the only guy in the draft I'd say doesn't have a natural position. You could easily stick Jones in a 4-3 on the edge or a 3-4 taking advantage of guards in passing situations. Lots of defenses these days switch between the two schemes more often than they did in the past and versatile Dlinemen have seen their stock increase as a result.

              I think when scouts say they don't know where to use a player just sort of translates into "we're too lazy to make this kid work" Just my two cents though.
              Dion Jordan is a very hard player to project. Kinda of tough thing to say if this guy gains 30 pounds and learns how to rush the passer he can be a 4-3 end. A lot of people like him as a LB and I get it he is pretty fluid but how many LB's are that tall and play in space in the NFL. Its pretty neat to see a 6'6 DE line up as a Boundary corner but is that really going to be an option in the NFL. He is interesting but Im hoping the Giants go another way

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              • Wonder if the Giants would trade up into the top ten. What would it take to do so?

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                • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                  Wonder if the Giants would trade up into the top ten. What would it take to do so?
                  It'd be a bad idea, with 75underclassmen out there for the pickings.. SO many guys who are better then where there ranking say, but came out a yr early.. Trading away picks for anyone in this draft would be silly in my opinion. Just to many guys we don't know where they'd of been if they went back to school for another yr to go for 1guy, who could be a bust anyhow...

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                  • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                    Wonder if the Giants would trade up into the top ten. What would it take to do so?
                    2nd round pick to move up 9 spots

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                    • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                      Wonder if the Giants would trade up into the top ten. What would it take to do so?
                      This draft really has no blue chip guys, strength of this draft is really the depth in the first three, possibly four, rounds.

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                      • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                        No problem! Cool that Mauti is writing teams letting them know how much football means to em, ey? THat kid is worth a flier in mid rds, and u can tell how much he loves the game in his play on the field...
                        Thanks for the write up nyc! I am starting to get into the offseason some a little more every day. I was kind of sour the way the last part of our season ended.

                        But thats the past now, no reason to dwell on it. But I am not the best of mock drafters, I tend to overrate or underrate when I try to make mock drafts. I was impressed though with Trufant though yesterday. He showed some good hustle to catch that kid from SE Louisiana. I see that you mentioned that he may go in the 1st rd. I was thinking he would be a great 2nd rd pick, but from the way I read it, he may not be there when we draft on the 2nd.


                        I think I heard Mayock mention yesterday that hypothetically Fisher made himself 4 million dollars this past week in Mobile. He was basing that on the difference in salaries between last years 10th pick(Gilmore) and the 20th pick(Wright).

                        I would not be upset with taking Lane Johnson, Trufant in the later 1st rd or if lucky, when we select in the 2nd rd. Maybe the Giants can trade back from 19 and pick up an extra pick, 3rd maybe?

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                        • Originally posted by tonyt830 View Post
                          Thanks for the write up nyc! I am starting to get into the offseason some a little more every day. I was kind of sour the way the last part of our season ended.

                          But thats the past now, no reason to dwell on it. But I am not the best of mock drafters, I tend to overrate or underrate when I try to make mock drafts. I was impressed though with Trufant though yesterday. He showed some good hustle to catch that kid from SE Louisiana. I see that you mentioned that he may go in the 1st rd. I was thinking he would be a great 2nd rd pick, but from the way I read it, he may not be there when we draft on the 2nd.


                          I think I heard Mayock mention yesterday that hypothetically Fisher made himself 4 million dollars this past week in Mobile. He was basing that on the difference in salaries between last years 10th pick(Gilmore) and the 20th pick(Wright).

                          I would not be upset with taking Lane Johnson, Trufant in the later 1st rd or if lucky, when we select in the 2nd rd. Maybe the Giants can trade back from 19 and pick up an extra pick, 3rd maybe?
                          I always thought Trufant was a 1st round pick & only thing that would've changed that would be a crappy combine.....I'm not sure why some thought we'd have a chance on him in the 3rd....I'm all for trading back if there's no clear cut BPA at 19

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                          • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                            I always thought Trufant was a 1st round pick & only thing that would've changed that would be a crappy combine.....I'm not sure why some thought we'd have a chance on him in the 3rd....I'm all for trading back if there's no clear cut BPA at 19
                            I a havent watched enough of Trufant this year to say either way. I was thinking yesterday I havent watched enough Pac 12 besides Oregon this season. Im about to where Id like to be on UCLA. I like to see at least 6 games each season of a player

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                            • Originally posted by tonyt830 View Post
                              Thanks for the write up nyc! I am starting to get into the offseason some a little more every day. I was kind of sour the way the last part of our season ended.

                              But thats the past now, no reason to dwell on it. But I am not the best of mock drafters, I tend to overrate or underrate when I try to make mock drafts. I was impressed though with Trufant though yesterday. He showed some good hustle to catch that kid from SE Louisiana. I see that you mentioned that he may go in the 1st rd. I was thinking he would be a great 2nd rd pick, but from the way I read it, he may not be there when we draft on the 2nd.


                              I think I heard Mayock mention yesterday that hypothetically Fisher made himself 4 million dollars this past week in Mobile. He was basing that on the difference in salaries between last years 10th pick(Gilmore) and the 20th pick(Wright).

                              I would not be upset with taking Lane Johnson, Trufant in the later 1st rd or if lucky, when we select in the 2nd rd. Maybe the Giants can trade back from 19 and pick up an extra pick, 3rd maybe?
                              THanks my friend! Ya, actually tony, i mentioned Lane Johnson could go in the first and i thought Jordan Poyer was a borderline 1st rd pick(for basically this whole season), and as much as i liked Desmond Trufant, who i'd see a few times this yr, and really loved, ever since the stanford game, i never thought he was a 1st, just not as far down as most had em in the mid 3rd.. Hes made some money over the past wk though, thats for sure.. Should be slam dunk 2nd rder, with chance to go very early 2nd..

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                              • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                                This draft really has no blue chip guys, strength of this draft is really the depth in the first three, possibly four, rounds.
                                Agreed.. 75underclassmen with all the other Sr's, and u got a deep talented draft with tons of future 1st rd picks going in rds 2-4.. No way u can trade away valuable picks for guys who don't stand out, as being head and sholders above..

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