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  • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    Nico could make a good future ST captain (I don't mean that in a degrading way) and a quality depth player but he just doesn't "pop" as a starter to me in the NFL.
    I was at the game and it seemed like he played a whole lot and was always around the ball. only made 3 solo and 1 assist but dont know if i totally agree on him. Lester seemed to be in a lot to but agree on his accessment.
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
    4-New York Giants!!!
    5-NE
    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    • Milner is a Stud and will not be there when we pick. if giants what him they will have to trade up
      Football has been very, very good to us.
      After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
      But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

      # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

      1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
      2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
      3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
      4-New York Giants!!!
      5-NE
      Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

      ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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      • Milner is a Stud and will not be there when we pick. if giants what him they will have to trade up
        Football has been very, very good to us.
        After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
        But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

        # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

        1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
        2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
        3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
        4-New York Giants!!!
        5-NE
        Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

        ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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        • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
          Nico looked god awful, he looked lost sometimes, he got caught up in the crowd and was unable to locate the ball carriers was not instinctual. He dropped himself to 5th round I believe, and like i said earlier in the post, makes a strong case for most on here why some are so high on minter.
          5th is where I had him mocked before this game. I'm not sure why it makes a case for Minter (who didn't play)... I think Minter would struggle just as bad as Nico in coverage. I think they'd both be good against the run and have big question marks in coverage. One you can just get much later. Minter is at least better at what they're both good at but I don't think Minter will really upgrade our defense enough to take him in the first like some have projected.
          2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

          Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
          Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
          Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
          Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
          Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
          Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
          Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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          • Turns out Nico Johnson was practicing and playing with a sports hernia. He was putting off surgery until after the senior bowl.
            2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

            Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
            Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
            Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
            Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
            Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
            Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
            Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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            • Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
              5th is where I had him mocked before this game. I'm not sure why it makes a case for Minter (who didn't play)... I think Minter would struggle just as bad as Nico in coverage. I think they'd both be good against the run and have big question marks in coverage. One you can just get much later. Minter is at least better at what they're both good at but I don't think Minter will really upgrade our defense enough to take him in the first like some have projected.
              plenty of scouts disagree with you about minter....

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              • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                plenty of scouts disagree with you about minter....
                There are scouts saying Minter is good in coverage? Who?
                2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                • Here's an analysis from NFL.com:

                  Weaknesses

                  Occasionally overruns misdirection and draw plays, gives up inside shoulder. Lacks desirable range in coverage because of lost ground when forced to open up hips, turn, and run. Fast enough in a straight line, but lateral speed may be a question. Despite good angles, likely won't win a foot race to the edge. Too flat footed on play action and misdirection, but at least that prohibits wasted steps. Does not show the quickness to get to screen as or soon after the ball arrives despite seeing it early on. Sees pass and reacts to it in coverage, but doesn't move any sooner. Bottom Line

                  He might only have one full season int he starting lineup, but Minter was easily the most consistent defender on a very talented LSU defense during the 2012 season. The junior fills lanes with force and takes great angles to work through trash while finishing tackles authoritatively. Some evaluators may have a concern with his lateral speed since Minter seemed to reach running backs with just enough time to spare, not to mention his tendency to lose ground when forced to open his hips and drop in coverage. Minter's toughness against the run, specifically between the tackles, and reliable angles will likely land him in the top 64 picks.
                  2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                  Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                  Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                  Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                  Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                  Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                  Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                  Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                  • Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
                    There are scouts saying Minter is good in coverage? Who?
                    was reffering to your assesment of him not being worth a 1st & being as bad as nico in coverage
                    Last edited by myles2424; 01-29-2013, 05:48 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                      was reffering to your assesment of him not being worth a 1st & being as bad as nico in coverage
                      Gotcha.. well, I'm sure there will be some that think he is worth a first round pick... and maybe he is for some defenses (and possibly ours).. I wouldn't be disappointed with him as a first round pick if some other guys were gone, I just don't think a MLB that is good against the run with bad hips is necessarily what we need the most. Like I said though, he is definitely REALLY good at what he does best and I've said many times I want a physical, intimidating linebacker in the middle and I do think Minter could be that. Just not sure he's the right guy for us at #19.
                      2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                      Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                      Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                      Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                      Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                      Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                      Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                      Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                      • Minter is okay in coverage he is definitely better in coverage than nico. He is way more instinctual. And that matters more in a MLB

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                        • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                          Minter is okay in coverage he is definitely better in coverage than nico. He is way more instinctual. And that matters more in a MLB
                          Agree but are you willing to spend a 2 nd round on Minter or even a 1st ? I mention a 1st round because its possible he could be gone when Giants turn comes up in the 2nd .
                          " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                          • Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
                            Agree but are you willing to spend a 2 nd round on Minter or even a 1st ? I mention a 1st round because its possible he could be gone when Giants turn comes up in the 2nd .
                            God forbid we take a SEC LB with 130 tackles,15tfl,4sacks & captain of the team in the 2nd round......we should definetly go for more of a goff,wilkinson,kiehl,sintim,Dillard type.....

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                            • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                              God forbid we take a SEC LB with 130 tackles,15tfl,4sacks & captain of the team in the 2nd round......we should definetly go for more of a goff,wilkinson,kiehl,sintim,Dillard type.....
                              I'm sorry but not enough value IMO to take him in the 1st round and I'm willing to bet my house Reese sees it that way too, only pointing out he probably isn't going to be available for us in the 2nd . Is he the BPA at 19 th ? Please bro ! Not even close .
                              " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                              • Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
                                I'm sorry but not enough value IMO to take him in the 1st round and I'm willing to bet my house Reese sees it that way too, only pointing out he probably isn't going to be available for us in the 2nd . Is he the BPA at 19 th ? Please bro ! Not even close .
                                Was referring to you asking if we'd take him in the 2nd

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