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  • Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
    Agree but are you willing to spend a 2 nd round on Minter or even a 1st ? I mention a 1st round because its possible he could be gone when Giants turn comes up in the 2nd .
    Yeah I most definitely feel Minter is a first round talent, honestly the only way I take him is if we trade back to a later spot in the 1st. I don't think his value is great at 19.

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    • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
      Was referring to you asking if we'd take him in the 2nd
      That's precisely my point if you read all the way thru. Little chance that he will be available for us in the 2nd round. If by any chance he is still there then the value/need fills sthe blank. That been said is Reese seeing the same draft board or more importantly is Reese going to be true to his word of drafting BPA in each round ?
      " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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      • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
        Yeah I most definitely feel Minter is a first round talent, honestly the only way I take him is if we trade back to a later spot in the 1st. I don't think his value is great at 19.
        Well that could be an answer to your question but even if you do how much are you willing to go down with our reaching. Minter is climbing in some Mocks but his value as a prospect hasn't change still hanging in the mid 30's in top 100 prospect.
        " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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        • Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
          Well that could be an answer to your question but even if you do how much are you willing to go down with our reaching. Minter is climbing in some Mocks but his value as a prospect hasn't change still hanging in the mid 30's in top 100 prospect.
          Always beware of guys who climb in mocks when no football is being played . . . .

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          • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
            Always beware of guys who climb in mocks when no football is being played . . . .
            You mean like JPP?
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            • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
              Always beware of guys who climb in mocks when no football is being played . . . .
              The only thing with that is In my personal rankings for instance I have watched more games of some guys than others so when I catch up over the off season my rankings will change. Its physically impossibe for me to watch all the games during the season. I watch most of the games in fact when the season is over. Same thing with the guys doing the mock drafts. Also postseason performances shed light on some guys that werent focused on as much during the season. People than go back and look at more of the games. Jacquian Williams for instance. I knew the name but it wasnt till after the Giants drafted him I went back and looked at him more closely and was upset I missed him. There are so many teams and so many games its easy for guys to slip through the cracks. I wont miss players from the SEC or Top 25 programs because they are on TV all the team I watch them consistently during the season. Its easy to miss guys from the smaller conferences or even the Big East if u only watch them 2 or 3 times during the season. Also the grades between guys in the draft 25-45 arent all that different a guy moving around from that range or even 3rd to 2nd round isnt that much of a move really.
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              • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                You mean like JPP?
                Do you disagree with my premise that you should be wary of such off-season risers?

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                • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                  The only thing with that is In my personal rankings for instance I have watched more games of some guys than others so when I catch up over the off season my rankings will change. Its physically impossibe for me to watch all the games during the season. I watch most of the games in fact when the season is over. Same thing with the guys doing the mock drafts. Also postseason performances shed light on some guys that werent focused on as much during the season. People than go back and look at more of the games. Jacquian Williams for instance. I knew the name but it wasnt till after the Giants drafted him I went back and looked at him more closely and was upset I missed him. There are so many teams and so many games its easy for guys to slip through the cracks. I wont miss players from the SEC or Top 25 programs because they are on TV all the team I watch them consistently during the season. Its easy to miss guys from the smaller conferences or even the Big East if u only watch them 2 or 3 times during the season. Also the grades between guys in the draft 25-45 arent all that different a guy moving around from that range or even 3rd to 2nd round isnt that much of a move really.
                  This makes sense. Something I hadn't thought of.

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                  • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                    Always beware of guys who climb in mocks when no football is being played . . . .
                    It's not that cut and dry really though. Some guys climb due to other kids going back to college (Lewan and Matthews) so that's why you see Fisher and Johnson surging ahead in the mocks and then you have some kids who see a fall because their arms are too short or they look too slow for the outside. Even if they are just 1-on-1 drills, you get a more deep insight into these linemen going up against other NFL caliber players. Eric Fisher was a little shady to some before the Senior Bowl since he came from a small football program but he solidified his status as a top 10 selection in those drills.

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                    • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                      It's not that cut and dry really though. Some guys climb due to other kids going back to college (Lewan and Matthews) so that's why you see Fisher and Johnson surging ahead in the mocks and then you have some kids who see a fall because their arms are too short or they look too slow for the outside. Even if they are just 1-on-1 drills, you get a more deep insight into these linemen going up against other NFL caliber players. Eric Fisher was a little shady to some before the Senior Bowl since he came from a small football program but he solidified his status as a top 10 selection in those drills.
                      Not really saying that it is cut and dry. Just saying to be wary. There certainly could be legitimate explanations for an offseason rise, like you have pointed out.

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                      • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                        Not really saying that it is cut and dry. Just saying to be wary. There certainly could be legitimate explanations for an offseason rise, like you have pointed out.
                        Most of these "offseason risers" aren't actually offseason risers. Teams valued them high throughout and the media is catching up.

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                        • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                          Most of these "offseason risers" aren't actually offseason risers. Teams valued them high throughout and the media is catching up.
                          These postseason events give media easier access to scouts as well

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                          • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            Most of these "offseason risers" aren't actually offseason risers. Teams valued them high throughout and the media is catching up.
                            Goes both ways to I think there are a few overrated guys that these mocks will say are falling but they arent the player they are being projected. Damontre Moore isnt a Top 5 pick. All last year I said he was an underrated player now he is way overrated truth is he shouldnt go before pick 15 maybe later

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                            • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                              Goes both ways to I think there are a few overrated guys that these mocks will say are falling but they arent the player they are being projected. Damontre Moore isnt a Top 5 pick. All last year I said he was an underrated player now he is way overrated truth is he shouldnt go before pick 15 maybe later
                              Lol I completely agree. Btw kipper had Moore going like second overall to the jags. He is way overrated.


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                              • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                                Do you disagree with my premise that you should be wary of such off-season risers?
                                I try not to apply generalized statements to individual situations. Because if you do, someone throws a perfect counter point example in your face. Much like I did with JPP.


                                Sometimes offseason risers rise for good reason. Multiple recent example come to mind:

                                JPP, Doug Martin, Christian Ponder, JJ Watt and many more.....

                                You have to look at every player individually rather than rule out someone because of some vague rule of thumb.
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