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  • #16
    i dont keep up with prospects as well as u guys, how do u guys rank ansah compared to mingo? i been watching some of him since redeye posted some clips. he seems like he'd be the perfect replacement for Osi initially as the pass rush specialist while he's groomed into being a complete DE. I'd almost rather Mingo...is that stupid?

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    • #17
      If 18 other GM's let the Giants have this guy, they are digging their own graves. JPP was one of the top 3 most dominant defensive lineman in the league in 2011 and as a result, received double and triple teams all year in 2012. With Ansah playing LE opposite JPP, you take one of the worst defenses in the league and make them easily top 10. Draft a solid MLB and Corner and it's top 5.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
        If 18 other GM's let the Giants have this guy, they are digging their own graves. JPP was one of the top 3 most dominant defensive lineman in the league in 2011 and as a result, received double and triple teams all year in 2012. With Ansah playing LE opposite JPP, you take one of the worst defenses in the league and make them easily top 10. Draft a solid MLB and Corner and it's top 5.
        I don't think ansah will have that immediate of an impact but I think solidifying the MLB spot and some improved play by web and hosley plus some new blood at corner can be enough.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
          i dont keep up with prospects as well as u guys, how do u guys rank ansah compared to mingo? i been watching some of him since redeye posted some clips. he seems like he'd be the perfect replacement for Osi initially as the pass rush specialist while he's groomed into being a complete DE. I'd almost rather Mingo...is that stupid?
          Completely different players. I think Mingo needs to be a LB primarily in the.NFL. He has to much speed and agility not to play in space. He could play some end in pass rushing situations. Ansah on the other hand is a Strongside end and more than likely a DT in pass rushing situations . Both have benefits and both have their drawbacks both have lots of untapped physical talent. Mingo is probably a better fit for the Giants simply because Kiwi and Tuck could both play Strongside end. Mingo could move into Kiwi's LB spot and provide a big upgrade in speed and agility.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mlerman17 View Post
            I don't think ansah will have that immediate of an impact but I think solidifying the MLB spot and some improved play by web and hosley plus some new blood at corner can be enough.
            He definitely won't have an immediate impact with the Giants, see the Wilson experiment, but I'm starting to like him more and more after watching the JPP highlights of 2011. HE SEEMS LIKE AN EXACT CLONE! Other posters have made the point that Van Noy had 13 sacks and Ziggy lead the team with 8 QB pressures so although he hasn't had the hard stats, he definitely made a presence. Too bad he won't be there anymore.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
              He definitely won't have an immediate impact with the Giants, see the Wilson experiment, but I'm starting to like him more and more after watching the JPP highlights of 2011. HE SEEMS LIKE AN EXACT CLONE! Other posters have made the point that Van Noy had 13 sacks and Ziggy lead the team with 8 QB pressures so although he hasn't had the hard stats, he definitely made a presence. Too bad he won't be there anymore.
              Van Noy had more Sacks because he had more free shots at the QB as a Blitzer. Easier to get to the QB when the guys up front are dealing with the lineman and U have to beat a RB or TE

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              • #22
                Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
                HE SEEMS LIKE AN EXACT CLONE!
                Hes not. He is a much stiffer athlete, with less burst. But his long speed might be better.

                Still dont think he will ever be more than an ~8 sack guy. Not that that is poor production, and he already plays the run well, and could be a very good strong side end or 5tech.

                Just not sure he could ever be a premier outside pass rusher. Though when he does find a way to create space and get going, he is capable of getting to the QB awfully quick.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  Hes not. He is a much stiffer athlete, with less burst. But his long speed might be better.

                  Still dont think he will ever be more than an ~8 sack guy. Not that that is poor production, and he already plays the run well, and could be a very good strong side end or 5tech.

                  Just not sure he could ever be a premier outside pass rusher. Though when he does find a way to create space and get going, he is capable of getting to the QB awfully quick.
                  Tuck wasnt an outside pass rusher either. How many of his sacks went against Guards. His straight speed is good if he gets around the tackle in the B gap he can close on the QB
                  Last edited by Redeyejedi; 01-30-2013, 06:16 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                    Tuck wasnt an outside pass rusher either. How many of his sacks went against Guards
                    Yea, though I do think Tuck has slightly better bend to him. Ansah really just has to learn to use his hands, then develop some moves and counter moves off of them. All he has to do is create a little space so he can use his speed.

                    I think he could develop into a very good interior pass rusher, but he has a long way to go. His raw talent wont get him far in the NFL. Has to learn the technique to be effective there.

                    Adding Ansah could certainly help the pass rush, but they still need to find a true edge rusher. Undersized situational guy or not, bringing someone on to the field on those long yardage passing downs who can consistently get the edge would make a huge difference on this defense.
                    Last edited by slipknottin; 01-30-2013, 06:18 PM.

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                    • #25
                      ansah is nowhere near what JPP was coming out of college,,JPP had more playing experience and I believe he was a 2 time junior college all american who put up some gaudy numbers. ansah who has looked good at times, is seeing his draft stock rise not only because of athletic ability, but also because of the comparisons to JPP. ansah as of now is more hype than substance.

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                      • #26
                        Still think Ansah would fit better in a 3-4 scheme that utilizes smaller defensive ends like the 49ers. He's perfect to play the role of Justin Smith, eating up the guard and OT while the more natural pass rusher gets all the glory and sacks.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                          ansah is nowhere near what JPP was coming out of college,,JPP had more playing experience and I believe he was a 2 time junior college all american who put up some gaudy numbers. ansah who has looked good at times, is seeing his draft stock rise not only because of athletic ability, but also because of the comparisons to JPP. ansah as of now is more hype than substance.
                          I dont agree with that. Without JPP existing, Ansah is a first round draft pick. Its rare to see that size and movement skills. And it isnt hype with Ansah, he does a tremendous amount of things very well, especially for someone who has not played all that much

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                            ansah is nowhere near what JPP was coming out of college,,JPP had more playing experience and I believe he was a 2 time junior college all american who put up some gaudy numbers. ansah who has looked good at times, is seeing his draft stock rise not only because of athletic ability, but also because of the comparisons to JPP. ansah as of now is more hype than substance.
                            JPP was put in a better situation to get gaudy numbers though. He lined up primarily over the guards and even played some nose. The collegiate careers of the two aren't similar at all and the comparisons just come from the fact they are freakish athletes.

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                            • #29
                              Sources tell Draft insider Tony Pauline that BYU DL Ezekiel Ansah is a "definite mid-first round choice and should be selected anywhere between picks 14-to-18."

                              Pauline continued the train of comparisons between Jason Pierre-Paul and Ansah, writing "teams feel Ansah has the ability to develop into an impact player on the defensive line." The BYU product still needs a defined position after playing along the entire defensive line in college. Expect to hear he is "rising" even more after great workouts at the Combine.
                              http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...aft-headlines/

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                                I dont agree with that. Without JPP existing, Ansah is a first round draft pick. Its rare to see that size and movement skills. And it isnt hype with Ansah, he does a tremendous amount of things very well, especially for someone who has not played all that much
                                there is no gaurantee he will progress,,its all speculation,,so as of now he is more hype than substance. nothing his soph and junior years,,only started this year due to injury. and to say this kids stock isnt up partially because of the comparisons to JPP is not accurate. article after article scouts compare him to JPP, JPP is helping this kid make money this draft.

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