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  • why do so many people say the giants always draft BPA?

    I see this being said a lot and reese's track record doesn't seem to support this claim. however, I wouldn't go as far as to say he reaches on players. I think he just finds a good mix of need/value.

    in 2008 we lost gibril, he drafts Kenny Phillips
    in 2009 we lost plax, he drafts Hakeem Nicks
    in 2012 we lost Jacobs, drafts Wilson, lost ross, drafts hosley, lost manningham, drafts randle

    i just want people to realize that it's OKAY to fill your needs through the draft as long as you're not reaching too far for a guy. it seems like too many people mindlessly come out and state "BPA no matter what!!" which is a simple minded way of thinking.

    let's say you're picking at #20 in the draft and you need a CB really bad and you have him ranked #25 on your value chart. but then there's an OT who's rated #15 on your value board, but you're all set at that position. i really don't think there's THAT much of a difference in value from the 15-25 area.

    i just want people to realize that sometimes if you really need a guy at a certain position, it's not the worst thing to take the guy rated a little bit lower. i think it's more important to draft for value in the later rounds since teams are less likely to fill a crucial need with a low round pick.

    this is not to imply that we shouldn't have drafted JPP (since i know this argument will be brought to the table) just because we had plenty of DE's. if you really have a conviction on a guy the way reese and our FO did with JPP and think he's an enormous talent too good to pass up, then by all means go for it.

    but if it's a situation like i described before with taking a slightly lower valued player because he fulfills a big need, it's not a bad thing like so many people make it out to be.
    Last edited by GiantsFan27; 02-06-2013, 10:08 AM.

  • penguinfarmer
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    Need and BPA aren't exclusive from one another.

    I'm sure BPA covers several metrics, one of which includes need [both current and impending], as well as personal philosophies on positional value, different analyses and interpretation of the players themselves, compatibility with one's own system, etc. etc.

    BPA is also relative not just to teams, but to each individual involved in the decisions. I doubt the war room always makes consensus picks, but rather each individual makes a case for who they believe is the best value.

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  • Rawdog550
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    The Giants draft in a combination of what they need and the best player available for what they need. The Giants are not a team that simply goes for the best player on the board when they arent hurting in that position. Giants draft by what they need and or are weak on and then go for the best available according to what they are looking for. They draft very smart!!!!! But they are willing to take chances as well cause they are not afraid to develope talent that is RAW.

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  • BlueSanta
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    To many the term BPA means best pick available regardless of position. I believe this to be incorrect.

    Or at least, if is is correct NO team in the NFL drafts that way.

    The fact is BPA does include need into the equation.

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  • nycsportzfan
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    We simply draft smart.. It dosen't mean the players will always be good, because thats just impossible to forsee, but we draft smart almost always.. Yes, we draft for NEED, but mostly becuase the player were drafting is close if not thee best player available and happens to fill a need..

    For instance, KP was the highest ranked S the yr he came out and almost everyone had em going in the first rd, so why woulden't we take em?

    Now fast forward to Hakeem Nicks, who was a 1st rd prospect who some had going before we drafted em, so why not draft em, seeing how its need and value?

    With JPP and Prince, u can kinda see that hes willing to go BPA over need.. Sure, DE and CB could always use replenishments, and thank god we did take Prince and JPP looking at CB and DE on our team right now, but many could of argued other positons were of more dire need at the time of those picks, adn yet we still went with em..

    My point is this.. Theres a reason why i always rave about Jerry Reeses drafts(outside of last yrs), and thats becuase he simply drafts smart.. He isn't afraid to go BPA, but most of the time, figures out how to get good solid value per rd with positons of need.. He simply knows what hes doing and has a good eye for talent..

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  • thegreatone
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    Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
    reese has said plenty times, they stick to BPA....But will fill BPA that happens to be a need also when multiple BPA's may be closely ranked on their board
    Yeah that's pretty much what I was tryin to say.

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  • GOBLUE24
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    They have time to develop bc they sit the bench for 2 years before tc put them in.....................just kidding...........no Im not........................just kidding

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  • myles2424
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    reese has said plenty times, they stick to BPA....But will fill BPA that happens to be a need also when multiple BPA's may be closely ranked on their board

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  • slipknottin
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    I really need to make a graph to show people how the giants draft. Its not BPA nor is it need.

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  • thegreatone
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    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    I completely agree with this post.

    We have often drafted to need in the JR era. Not always but often.


    -Aaron Ross was definitely a need at corner.
    -KP was a need at safety
    -Nicks was a need at WR
    -JPP was NOT a need pick and was def. BPA
    -Prince was NOT really a need pick (he dropped to us and we couldn't resist)
    - Wilson was a need pick.

    So JR has gone both ways but the perception that we always go BPA is wrong.
    Pretty sure I saw all those guys being mocked around where we picked so to say they weren't bpa is a stretch.i think we just get real lucky sometimes. Also you have to factor in if we need a wr and there is only 1 -2 player rated ahead of him we are gonna take the wr. Now was he bpa,no, but he was a value pick AND filled a need. That's what I love about Reese he almost always gets great value out of his picks.fact is unless we are looking at the giants draft board we have no idea if they are drafting bpa. Bpa to you and I could be completely different to them

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  • RoanokeFan
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    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    I completely agree with this post.

    We have often drafted to need in the JR era. Not always but often.


    -Aaron Ross was definitely a need at corner.
    -KP was a need at safety
    -Nicks was a need at WR
    -JPP was NOT a need pick and was def. BPA
    -Prince was NOT really a need pick (he dropped to us and we couldn't resist)
    - Wilson was a need pick.

    So JR has gone both ways but the perception that we always go BPA is wrong.
    There is no "always" in the NFL. BPA is simply the answer we get when the guy we wanted isn't the pick. There is nothing to say a BPA can't fill a need but Reese has been clear about taking a draft pick and finding a place for them IF they are that athletically impressive.

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  • TCHOF
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    Originally posted by RagTime Blue View Post
    I agree, that seems to be a big part of JR's strategy. I'm starting to wonder if the salary cap might steer JR to more conservative choices in the future.
    I have no problem with projects as long as they are selected in the later rounds.

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  • RagTime Blue
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    Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
    The Giants under Reese take chances on guys they feel they can develop. Barden, Beckum, Robinson are all examples of this. Even JPP was seen as a project since he had such a limited football background.
    I agree, that seems to be a big part of JR's strategy. I'm starting to wonder if the salary cap might steer JR to more conservative choices in the future.

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  • Roosevelt
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    The Giants under Reese take chances on guys they feel they can develop. Barden, Beckum, Robinson are all examples of this. Even JPP was seen as a project since he had such a limited football background.

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  • RagTime Blue
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    Nowadays, the salary cap governs everything a GM does.

    The draft pay-scale is designed so that if all draftees make the team, cap-hell is averted (simplified, but you get the point).

    JR has a list of positions where guys are coming off contract down the road, and who he can cut and when. He'll concentrate picks on those positions.

    JR has to do a better job of making more draft picks stick. That's the long-term key to getting out of our cap-hell. More production out of picks 3-7.

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