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  • #16
    Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
    Kiwi? hes 30 and on the decline. Hes not a true DE because we already ****ed that up.

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    Agreed. Well never know what Kiwi could have been.

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    • #17
      Im actually kind of pissed that we did that to him. He was a top tier, all american DE in college for BC.

      Of course he would accept the position change. He needs money to make a living too...just like you and I.

      To be honest, we really screwed up. At this point Kiwi is sort of like a what-could-have-been more so than he is a what-could-be at DE.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
        Kiwi? hes 30 and on the decline. Hes not a true DE because we already ****ed that up.

        Tracy? Havent seen anything to suggest he is starter material

        Ojomo? Ok, he had a good preseason. I was excited about him too, but he didnt play all year. What does that tell us?

        Tuck? Hes had like 7 sacks in 2 years combined. Hes just a gap filler.

        IMO we have only 1 true starting DE, and thats JPP.

        Sooo...all those names you mentioned....wheres the permanent, producing starter opposite JPP? And what if someone gets hurt?

        You are not thinking logically.
        I'm thinking "next man up" is a better strategy for our DE situation than DT and LB (where if you want to talk unproven nobody's those 2 positions are goldmines)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by egyptian420 View Post
          I'm thinking "next man up" is a better strategy for our DE situation than DT and LB (where if you want to talk unproven nobody's those 2 positions are goldmines)
          I agree. We have our work cut out for us on defense this offseason.

          All I'm saying is I dont think we can overlook DE.

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          • #20
            Did you guys know that Mathias Kiwanuka's grandfather was the first prime minister of Uganda?


            I thought that was pretty cool....just found out from Wikipedia

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            • #21
              Wow, literally like 30 seconds ago the board is all over Tuck's back and suggesting he should retire.

              The only sure deal we have at DE anymore is JPP. Ojomo and Tracy are unknown quantities, Tuck is capable of being great but can also disappear and his better days are behind him. Kiwi has been switched back and forth, what, 4-5 times? And he's not exactly young either.

              Osi's out the door, 2003 draft pick. Tuck was selected in 2006 so we'd be lucky to get 2 more years out of him and his production has already declined drastically. Kiwi came in the 2007 draft.

              So by law of averages Tuck and Kiwi are already done unless they prove otherwise and we can wring 2 or 3 more years of blood out of their declining stones. So yes, time to draft another DE if there is value.
              Last edited by SweetZombieJesus; 02-15-2013, 10:28 PM.
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              • #22
                .I just feel between JPP, tuck, and Kiwi we will be fine, def know he'll be way more effective at Dend ... The guy is our starting strongside backer and had 37 total tackles last year 27 solo and 10 assisted I mean come on

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                • #23
                  Because that is what we do.
                  No one remembers who came in second.

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                  • #24
                    I subscribe to the theory that you can never have too many pass rushers... but I think the biggest problem with the pass rush is the inability to stop the run and the short quick passes that teams are using to negate whatever pass rush the D has. To fix that, you have to fix the DT and LB problems.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by brad View Post
                      I subscribe to the theory that you can never have too many pass rushers... but I think the biggest problem with the pass rush is the inability to stop the run and the short quick passes that teams are using to negate whatever pass rush the D has. To fix that, you have to fix the DT and LB problems.
                      It's a good thing DT is pretty deep this year

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                      • #26
                        Maybe because that's how they won two Super Bowls in the last 6 years?

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                        • #27
                          Kiwi was not a great NFL DE. He was moved to LB for a reason, and not because he was TOO effective at DE.

                          He's a versatile player, and we're lucky to have him, but if you think he's the future at DE, you're kidding yourself. He's a reliable fill-in at either LB or DE, and that's very important.

                          His career was SAVED, not ruined by putting him at LB.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by brad View Post
                            I subscribe to the theory that you can never have too many pass rushers... but I think the biggest problem with the pass rush is the inability to stop the run and the short quick passes that teams are using to negate whatever pass rush the D has. To fix that, you have to fix the DT and LB problems.
                            This pretty much sums it up imo

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RagTime Blue View Post
                              Kiwi was not a great NFL DE. He was moved to LB for a reason, and not because he was TOO effective at DE.

                              He's a versatile player, and we're lucky to have him, but if you think he's the future at DE, you're kidding yourself. He's a reliable fill-in at either LB or DE, and that's very important.

                              His career was SAVED, not ruined by putting him at LB.
                              buy he is more affective for us at end then LB, and if this is the case then we might as well him and cut him and save money because a starting strong aside linebacker shouldn't have 30 tackles

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                              • #30
                                And every one keeps saying pass rushing dends... Jpp kills it from the right end position, he rushes the passer as good as anyone in the league... He should be on the right side all game i think he can handle the job

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