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    Now that Beatty's deal is done we don't have to waste a pick on a stupid LT. This team's problem is their ****** defense and defense is almost certain to be the pick now! Just can't see Jerry taking Fluker or a guard at 19 so I'm hoping for DL, LB, or CB. BPA please.

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    Stupid? The 6 most important positions on the team are Eli and the 5 guys in front of him. Give Eli enough time to throw and he can make miracles happen. To a lesser extent, the run game: give Wilson some good blockers and he can make miracles happen too. Not to mention a beefy OL means Wilson can run routes on pass plays rather than be forced to block all the time (not his strong suit). Honestly with the way the game gives so much advantage, a beefy offense is much more important than defense...

    That said, unless Beatty is willing to play RT (which given the contract we offered, he was definitely paid to be a LT), there's just nobody at 19 worthy of taking as a RT or G unless somehow Chance Warmack falls to us (Which could happen given that taking a G before 15 is taboo for some reason, but unlikely since Dallas will probably take him if he's on the board then...)
    Last edited by Toadofsteel; 02-28-2013, 09:21 AM.

    I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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    • #3
      We currently have 5 OTs on the team (Beatty, DD, McCants, Mosely, Brewer) for two positions. I'd be surprised if the Giants go OT in this draft and if they do, it shows how they feel about their current crop of homegrown talent.

      We do need depth (and/or possible starter) at OG. With Boothe still unsigned and Snee approaching his last days, we have a considerable lack here.
      I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
        Stupid? The 6 most important positions on the team are Eli and the 5 guys in front of him. Give Eli enough time to throw and he can make miracles happen. To a lesser extent, the run game: give Wilson some good blockers and he can make miracles happen too. Not to mention a beefy OL means Wilson can run routes on pass plays rather than be forced to block all the time (not his strong suit). Honestly with the way the game gives so much advantage, a beefy offense is much more important than defense...

        That said, unless Beatty is willing to play RT (which given the contract we offered, he was definitely paid to be a LT), there's just nobody at 19 worthy of taking as a RT or G unless somehow Chance Warmack falls to us (Which could happen given that taking a G before 15 is taboo for some reason, but unlikely since Dallas will probably take him if he's on the board then...)
        I agree with you. If you Cant protect Eli it doesn't matter if you have Megatron to throw to. He cant throw the ball laying on his back
        Football has been very, very good to us.
        After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
        But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

        # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

        1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
        2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
        3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
        4-New York Giants!!!
        5-NE
        Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

        ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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        • #5
          With that said... TOADOFSTEEL hit nail right on the head. As long as he has 5 SOLID players right in front of him he will make the ORDINARY WR look like a SUPERSTAR. IF the guy can catch the ball ELI will put it right there
          Football has been very, very good to us.
          After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
          But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

          # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

          1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
          2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
          3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
          4-New York Giants!!!
          5-NE
          Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

          ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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          • #6
            Now the question of YAC is another Story. That is a little harder to find out there and when you have guys like Nicks and Cruz you want to do all you can to try and secure them long term. These guys are the ones that will boost Elis Stats and put Points on the Board turning 10 or 15 yard plays into 75 yard TDs... not all WRs have that Gift
            Football has been very, very good to us.
            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
            4-New York Giants!!!
            5-NE
            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

            ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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            • #7
              We need some interior olineman.. A center to replace Baas either this yr, if hes cut, or next yr, and a Guard if we lose boothe and and/or to replace Snee in a yr or 2... I'm fine with Brewer getting dibs at RT, but were not sure hes gonna do the job, so a G/T combo player would be ideal.. A guy like Brian Winters, Barrett Jones, Oday Aboushi, Hugh Thornton, Alvin Bailey would be nice picks at some point.. I'm not against drafting Terron Armstead in RD2, as his upsides through the roof and he can be backup RT to Brewer and/or starter at RT, and it gives us someone on our roster to fill in at LT if injury prone beatty gets hurt again, or if he dosen't finish his whole contract with us because injuries and or lack of good play for duration of contract..

              Oline is important and we need a couple young studs on interior and possibly at RT and even a guy who can play LT in a pinch...

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              • #8
                Barrett Jones just became one of my top targets if he's still there in the 2nd round. Has played LG, LT and Center... and he did them all well, in the best conference in CFB playing for the best team right now in CFB. I don't think he'd be great at OT, but now having a guy that could project at center or guard is perfect for us.
                2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                  We need some interior olineman.. A center to replace Baas either this yr, if hes cut, or next yr, and a Guard if we lose boothe and and/or to replace Snee in a yr or 2... I'm fine with Brewer getting dibs at RT, but were not sure hes gonna do the job, so a G/T combo player would be ideal.. A guy like Brian Winters, Barrett Jones, Oday Aboushi, Hugh Thornton, Alvin Bailey would be nice picks at some point.. I'm not against drafting Terron Armstead in RD2, as his upsides through the roof and he can be backup RT to Brewer and/or starter at RT, and it gives us someone on our roster to fill in at LT if injury prone beatty gets hurt again, or if he dosen't finish his whole contract with us because injuries and or lack of good play for duration of contract..

                  Oline is important and we need a couple young studs on interior and possibly at RT and even a guy who can play LT in a pinch...
                  +1....Beatty and possibly Boothe are the only 2 guys on this line that I can say I'm comfortable with, everyone else is either unproven or just awful...this O-line still needs a ton of help

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                    I agree with you. If you Cant protect Eli it doesn't matter if you have Megatron to throw to. He cant throw the ball laying on his back
                    It's not just keeping Eli upright, it's giving him time to go through progressions and give receivers time to get open. I'm a big believer that the battle in the trenches has to be won to have a consistent passing and running game. We saw that in the Carolina game and New Orleans game (by way of their d-lines sucking so hard that even our piss poor OL could beat them in the trenches) that, respectively, Eli could make Barden look like a pro bowler, and Wilson can break out in the running game.With a superior OL capable of blocking anyone and Eli under center, we could beat ANY team in this league, even if we were forced to roll with Barden and Jernigan (if he learns how to hold onto the rock) as our X and Z receivers, Pascoe as our TE, and Lumpkin/Scott as our RB combo.

                    I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                      I agree with you. If you Cant protect Eli it doesn't matter if you have Megatron to throw to. He cant throw the ball laying on his back
                      Eli had the absolute worst o line in the league in 2011 and had a career "elite" year. All Eli needs is Cruz and Nicks healthy at the same time and he will play like that again. Defense on the other hand... no linebackers... no CB depth whatsoever... no pass rush whatsoever. We need major help there.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
                        Barrett Jones just became one of my top targets if he's still there in the 2nd round. Has played LG, LT and Center... and he did them all well, in the best conference in CFB playing for the best team right now in CFB. I don't think he'd be great at OT, but now having a guy that could project at center or guard is perfect for us.
                        to be honest, for a week or so before the NCG, I was mistaking Jones for Warmack. Like I thought it was Barret Jones who was the top prospect because, as you pointed out, he's played all 3 positions along the OL very well as a 4 yr starter too iirc...i'd be ecstatic if we were able to address a different need than OL in rd 2 and could fall back on Barrett Jones in rd 2 or even rd 3 possibly because although he's very solid right now, he prob has already met his ceiling...if warmack/coopers there at 19, I'd grab one of them. But if they aren't, and we can get an impact DB/LB/DL rd 1 and then Barrett Jones rd 2 or 3, it'd be an amazing draft.

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