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  • Is john simon a DE or OLB in a 4/3 or mix of both?

    He's obviously a bit light, but i'm sure he can easily get in the 260's, but still is a bit undersized, but he does have "natural" power, and some burst.. He plays disciplined, with excellent recognition skills.. He plays every down, and makes impact plays on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down.. He actually played both end positons, DT, and dropped at a LB at ohio st.. This kid is whats right about football as well.. Hes just a hard working kid, who plays hard, and has some natural gifts as well.. I like the former 5star recruit...


    Do u guys think this versatile player can be a fit here?

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    I like Simon a lot, just not for us. He's defiantly "light" at 6'1", 256 but his athletic ability limits him to a 3-4 IMO. Only way I see him in a 4-3 is at LDE , which I'm not sure he would be good at. I see him he's suited in a 3-4 on the left side, either in or out, but inside would hide his weaknesses (and play to his strengths). Either way he's a bad fit for us.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Duckdownman View Post
      I like Simon a lot, just not for us. He's defiantly "light" at 6'1", 256 but his athletic ability limits him to a 3-4 IMO. Only way I see him in a 4-3 is at LDE , which I'm not sure he would be good at. I see him he's suited in a 3-4 on the left side, either in or out, but inside would hide his weaknesses (and play to his strengths). Either way he's a bad fit for us.
      At his proday, he looked fantastic in space and was fast as well.. Add in the fact hes versatile, has a non stop motor, and u can see why i started this thread, and why i have intirgue...




      John Simon DE Ohio State Simon has the attitude and football character that will make coaches pound the table for their team to draft the Ohio State product. He isn't an elite athlete and needs to play under control, but the biggest question with Simon is what position does he fit in the NFL? After playing mostly defensive end in college, Simon tried to stand up at linebacker in Mobile at the Senior Bowl, but struggled and pulled out after the first day due to a shoulder injury. However, he looked much more impressive (and healthy) at his personal pro day earlier this week in front of a dozen NFL teams. Simon looked natural standing up in space with good athleticism and speed, running his 40-yard dash in the mid-4.6 range with a 7.10 three-cone drill and 4.42 short shuttle time. The Big Ten's Defensive Player of the Year, he has the NFL pedigree and make-up to stick on a pro roster and could hear his name on the second day of the 2013 NFL Draft after his impressive workouts.

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      • #4
        I got that bottom paragraph off of "risers" section of CBSSPORTS NFL Draft info..

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        • #5
          Interesting Prospect kinda reminds me of a Will Hill type story..top recruit coming out of HS..underachiever maybe? Could u post some highlights?

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          • #6
            Height is more of an issue than weight. Giants seem to always target the DEs with length.

            If the giants draft Simon, they would likely move him to SAM. Maybe they give him some edge rush snaps on pass downs too.


            Physically he reminds me a lot of Brandon Graham, though graham, imo, was much better changing directions, and Simon may have a bit better burst.

            There are some teams that dont mind having shorter DEs, or OLBs, a team like the steelers for instance, I think would love a guy like Simon. Detroit is another one that doesnt seem to care about the height of its DEs.
            Last edited by slipknottin; 04-04-2013, 06:35 PM.

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            • #7
              Graham size but rushed off the edge like Jared Allen..this guy will be VG as a situational OLB rusher. But the problem is he is terrible at run defense, can't set the edge, seems like a bit of a blockhead, but athletically gifted that's for sure.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPAWU1Oc1iw

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BlessedinBlue22 View Post
                Graham size but rushed off the edge like Jared Allen..this guy will be VG as a situational OLB rusher. But the problem is he is terrible at run defense, can't set the edge, seems like a bit of a blockhead, but athletically gifted that's for sure.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPAWU1Oc1iw
                Cant look at a read option offense and complain about DE not setting the edge. Read option is DESIGNED to prevent the DE from setting the edge.

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                • #9
                  I do not think he could play DE in a 43. Ideally, I think he is a 34 OLB but I see no reason he couldnt play 43 SLB.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                    He's obviously a bit light, but i'm sure he can easily get in the 260's, but still is a bit undersized, but he does have "natural" power, and some burst.. He plays disciplined, with excellent recognition skills.. He plays every down, and makes impact plays on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down.. He actually played both end positons, DT, and dropped at a LB at ohio st.. This kid is whats right about football as well.. Hes just a hard working kid, who plays hard, and has some natural gifts as well.. I like the former 5star recruit...


                    Do u guys think this versatile player can be a fit here?
                    You know the 4.5 sack game against Wisconsin he had that I cut got blocked

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                      I do not think he could play DE in a 43. Ideally, I think he is a 34 OLB but I see no reason he couldnt play 43 SLB.
                      Ya, i'm thinking with his versatility maybe he could do alittle bit of everything, as he did at Ohio St.. Mostly for us, he'd be a SLB, as he moved so well in space at his proday, and would be a great situational pass rusher, that u could stand up, put hand in dirt, blitz, drop in coverege, and possibly from time to time, line up inside... Theres many things u can do with this kid, and his motor is non stop, and he does have some physical gifts, and was a prized 5star recruit coming outta HS.. I like him alot.. I think i like em alot, because hes whats right with college football..

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        Height is more of an issue than weight. Giants seem to always target the DEs with length.

                        If the giants draft Simon, they would likely move him to SAM. Maybe they give him some edge rush snaps on pass downs too.


                        Physically he reminds me a lot of Brandon Graham, though graham, imo, was much better changing directions, and Simon may have a bit better burst.

                        There are some teams that dont mind having shorter DEs, or OLBs, a team like the steelers for instance, I think would love a guy like Simon. Detroit is another one that doesnt seem to care about the height of its DEs.
                        Ya, i here ya, but theres a first time for everything...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                          Ya, i here ya, but theres a first time for everything...
                          I dunno, there arent too many 6'1 DEs playing the in league right now for 43 teams.

                          He would be giving up 6 inches to many tackles in the league. Playing against a guy with that much of a leverage advatage for an entire game would be pretty hard.

                          I would also bring up his problematic injury history. He has knee and shoulder probs which will hurt his stock a bit.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                            I dunno, there arent too many 6'1 DEs playing the in league right now for 43 teams.

                            He would be giving up 6 inches to many tackles in the league. Playing against a guy with that much of a leverage advatage for an entire game would be pretty hard.

                            I would also bring up his problematic injury history. He has knee and shoulder probs which will hurt his stock a bit.
                            Ya, but he woulden't be playing DE primarily.. He'd be SLB primarily and his versatility and expierence all over on defense would allow him to play some end, maybe to maximize ur pass rushers on the field at the same time, or to get more pass defense on the field while also keeping a guy with non stop motor and pass rush ability out there...etc Leverege is tough to win when ur going against a guy thats shorter then u.. Its not easy for a guy that much taller then someone to win the leverege war... its actually very difficult, and very hard for a 6ft 6in lineman to get low enough to get his hands in good placement at the same time...

                            Simply put, i love the versatility that Simon could offer, and his non stop desire to make the play .. Theres just no quit in this kid... Again, part of my liking him, is hes whats good about football..

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                            • #15
                              I dont think he could play Linebacker in a 4-3. He just isnt a fluid enough athlete to play in space. He will struggle mightily in pass coverage

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