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    *NY Giants trade 19th Overall to Minnesota Vikings for 25th and 54th (2nd) overall*

    (19th overall Vikings select Tavon Austin)



    New York Giants Draft



    1st - 25th overall-
    Jesse Williams DT Alabama 6'3 323- Jesse Williams is nicknamed "Tha Monstar" is an athletic freak for his size. Ran his 40 time in the 4.9 range. He's a huge presence in the interior and eats up a lot of blockers yet still has the athleticism to cause disruption in the passing game.



    *My reasoning* athletically he's what the Giants look for and with the team looking to bolster defense oriented in stopping the run, Williams would be a key cog and an anchor at the D-line for years to come. Going forward the Giants (after Jenkins) Joseph and Williams would offer a huge potentially dominate duo in the middle and would make everyone's job (LB's, DE's) a lot easier.


    2nd - 51st overall- Barrett Jones OG/C Alabama 6'5 311 - (Bama again) Barrett is someone who offers great value. If the Giants organization values Dave Diehl for his versatility then Barrett is a player who'd make a lot of sense for them going forward. Jones is a guy who's versatile and can line up anywhere on the line. Played against the toughest competition in the SEC

    *My reasoning* is this is likely Diehl's last season IMO and Snee is getting up there as well. Kevin Boothe has been solid but he's not elite by any means and it's a contract year for him. No guarantee's the Giants bring him back and Jones IMO is a guy who they can have faith to plug in right away being he's not a project player like they've drafted in the past. He's played against the toughest competition and helped anchor the strength that was the Crimson Tides O-line.



    2nd- 54th overall (from Vikings)- Sio Moore LB UConn 6'1 245- How's this for athleticism:

    40yd: 4.65
    Vert: 38"
    Broad: 10' 07"
    29 reps of 225

    Just what the Giants need and have been lacking at the position. Moore is sideline to sideline and is explosive. Great motor and sheds well (from what I've seen). Can rush the passer off the edge and has the athleticism and skills to handle TE's in coverage.



    *My reasoning*- (Arthur Brown's already off the board) Kiwi is better suited going back to DE IMO. Moore is a versatile LB who can play either the Will or outside. I think he's better suited at OLB because of his explosiveness to rush the passer as well and think he'd be a HUGE upgrade over Kiwanuka at that position. The Giants are likely looking at possibly Rivers there this season but moving forward I think it's safe to say Moore's the guy for the job.



    3rd- 83rd overall
    - Bacarri Rambo S Georgia 6'0 211- His draft stock has gone down due to off the field trouble (multiple drug suspensions) but this is the area of the draft when teams look for value. The Giants have shown they're not afraid to take a risk on these type of players. Rambo is a truly instinctive ball hawking safety. 14 picks in his 3 years and is excellent in run support. Versatile and can play in the box as well as SS or FS.



    *My reasoning*- The Giants lost Kenny Phillips and are taking a 1 year insurance flyer out on Ryan Mundy. I expect Rolle and Brown to be the starters this year but I don't see the Giants carrying Rolle's contract next year. Rambo will be the one looked to fill that slot IMO.

    4th- 118th overall- Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB UConn 6'1 195 - The only reason I see him making it here is because of the slow combine 40 and the questions with his speed. Some have him transitioning to safety (which he has experience playing as well). I see him staying at corner and being successful. He's a long, physical corner with fluidity. Wilson is one of my favorite corner prospects because he reminds me a lot of what the Giants like at the position. He's scrappy, has good instincts against the run and is aggressive in coverage with long arms. He's not a ball hawking type but he's solid in most facets and has the movement skills you look for at CB.

    *My reasoning*- Next year I don't see the Giants carrying Webster's contract (or Antrel Rolle's for that matter). The Giants usually draft in preparation of the following year's roster adjustments. The Giants would like to add another big and physical corner who can be a starter out wide and fits the scheme well. CB depth is also lacking and the Giants need to address the situation.




    To be continued.....(this took longer than I anticipated)

    What we have so far:

    1st- Jesse Williams- DT
    2nd- Barrett Jones -OG/C
    2nd- Sio Moore- LB
    3rd- Baccarri Rambo S
    4th- Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB
    Last edited by titwio; 03-22-2013, 11:52 AM.
    "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

  • #2
    Why would the Vikings trade their second round pick to move up 6 spots? lol Thats only worth their third rounder.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by WiIdcat View Post
      Why would the Vikings trade their second round pick to move up 6 spots? lol Thats only worth their third rounder.
      I don't see it being out of the question. The Cowboys gave up their 2nd round pick last year to move up 7 spots ( a lot of people thought that was too little). I realize that was for the a top 10 pick but deals are made constantly with teams giving up too much or too little. Depends on how much a team really wants a player and how they feel about attaining them. My reasoning I feel this will be possible is the late buzz surrounding Austin and the fact the Rams are very likely to take him before the Vikings pick. The Vikings still have two 1st's so the chance of Reese pulling off something like that could be a possibility....if the Vikings really feel strongly about Austin as I'm projecting they are.

      I'm no expert on trades but I can say I've seen plenty where I can honestly say this is not really laughable.
      Last edited by titwio; 03-22-2013, 12:35 PM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by titwio View Post
        I'm no expert on trades but I can say I've seen plenty where I can honestly say this is not really laughable.
        http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

        According to this value chart, Vikes picks worth 1080 pts. Giants pick worth 875.

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        • #5
          Best Value Pick is Bareett Jones in the second. Though I believe we'll probably draft Greene in the second and plug in what we have as depth to replace Boothe, either Mosley, Capers, Brewer, etc. or posssibly draft a guard late rounds like they found Petrus.

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          • #6
            Nuts to think wreh Wilson will there in the 4th. He's a 2nd round talent.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by titwio View Post
              I don't see it being out of the question. The Cowboys gave up their 2nd round pick last year to move up 7 spots ( a lot of people thought that was too little). I realize that was for the a top 10 pick but deals are made constantly with teams giving up too much or too little. Depends on how much a team really wants a player and how they feel about attaining them. My reasoning I feel this will be possible is the late buzz surrounding Austin and the fact the Rams are very likely to take him before the Vikings pick. The Vikings still have two 1st's so the chance of Reese pulling off something like that could be a possibility....if the Vikings really feel strongly about Austin as I'm projecting they are.

              I'm no expert on trades but I can say I've seen plenty where I can honestly say this is not really laughable.
              Sorry I made that sound rude. Anything is possible, but if you look at the trade value charts, the Cowboys needed to give up the 2nd rounder to get a top 6 pick its a little different in the 20s.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                Nuts to think wreh Wilson will there in the 4th. He's a 2nd round talent.
                He's a 2nd round talent that's projected anywhere from 2-4 after his combine. I stated the reason why I think he's one of the players that may drop. He ran a bad time at the combine, he's not a ball hawking CB, he struggled in man coverage during Senior Bowl week and teams are talking about converting him to safety. I'm still high on the guy but I can see teams maybe second guessing on him. Players drop every year for these reasons. Jonathan Banks was thought as a top 15 talent before the combine process started and look what happened to him.

                Anyway...I usually get crud for my predictions but I've have been right on occasion.
                Last edited by titwio; 03-22-2013, 04:32 PM.
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                • #9
                  I just can't see this happen. The Vikings NEED picks to rebuild. They wont give a 2nd up just to move up 6 spots.

                  Not to mention we have Jenkins and LJ in the middle. I seriously doubt we take a DT with our first..

                  Nice attempt and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, but I just don't see this happening.

                  Personally I'm still hoping for the "boring" draft of:

                  1) CB Rhodes - CB and Safety depth and versatility
                  2) LB Greene - Solid all around LB
                  3) OL BPA
                  4) DL BPA

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AGiantDynasty View Post
                    I just can't see this happen. The Vikings NEED picks to rebuild. They wont give a 2nd up just to move up 6 spots.

                    Not to mention we have Jenkins and LJ in the middle. I seriously doubt we take a DT with our first..

                    Nice attempt and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, but I just don't see this happening.



                    Personally I'm still hoping for the "boring" draft of:

                    1) CB Rhodes - CB and Safety depth and versatility
                    2) LB Greene - Solid all around LB
                    3) OL BPA
                    4) DL BPA
                    Rhodes is one of the better lockdown corners to enter the draft i've seen in a while, has rare athleticism, speed, etc. I really like Greene too his stats were off the charts, and will really improve our defense.Like you i can't see a DT especially not in the first, if anything if Kawaan short is available in the second, he would be a good pick.

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                    • #11
                      Williams Is Good But....

                      Williams is a good pick perhaps for the second round. I absolutely love the idea of drafting a BIG DT in the first or second round. A run stopper the can plug the middle. We need an anchor in order to allow our edge rushers to get home and do their job. If we were going to use our first round pick on a BIG DT I think this is where we should go:

                      Johnathan Jenkins
                      6-3⅝, 346 lbs - Georgia
                      Versus the Run 1 Massive two-gap NT with wide trunk and thick legs. Has adequate-to-good initial quickness and body control for size. Has tree trunks for arms and flashes ability to lock out. Good upper body strength (30 reps on bench). Has quick hands and flashes ability to shed and make tackles in confined area. Also makes a surprising number of play in pursuit for his size. However, pads tend to rise when he wears down. He will give up ground initially but more often than not he's able to recover. Can develop into a highly effective two-gap run defender if he keeps weight down, becomes more consistent with leverage and develops into more of a technician with his hands.
                      Pass Rush Skills 4 Does not offer much in this area. Has enough initial quickness, size and power to collapse the pocket once in a while. But lacks the initial burst, lateral agility and closing burst to consistently disrupt.
                      Quickness (hands/feet) 2 Quicker and more athletic than the perception. Surprises with agility and balance on tape. Needs to be more consistent and violent with his hand usage but flashes very quick hands when disengaging from blocks.
                      Toughness/Motor 2 Falsely stereotyped as lazy on the field. Yes, he will wear down as game wears on but he plays with a much better motor than most 320-plus pound NT/DT types. Will pursue downfield. Flashes a mean streak.

                      He is expected to go around the 25th pick just in time for us to grab him. So that he does not tire out in games we could play in on first and second, running downs, and bring in our speed rushers for passing downs.
                      In addition it has been a year or so since we selected a defensive lineman in the first round. :-) What do you guys think of him? GO Big Blue!!!!

                      Latest Mock:

                      Round 1 - Mike Evans* WR 6'4" 231 Texas A&M
                      Round 2 - Marcus Martin* OC 6'3⅜" 320 USC
                      Round 3 - Kelcy Quarles* DT 6'3" 297 South Carolina
                      Round 4 - C.J. Fiedorowicz TE 6'5" 265 Iowa
                      Round 5 - Ed Stinson DE 6'3" 287 Alabama
                      Round 5 - Shayne Skov ILB 6'2" 245 Stanford
                      Round 6 - Terrance West RB 5'9" 225 Towson

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AGiantDynasty View Post
                        I just can't see this happen. The Vikings NEED picks to rebuild. They wont give a 2nd up just to move up 6 spots.

                        Not to mention we have Jenkins and LJ in the middle. I seriously doubt we take a DT with our first..

                        Nice attempt and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, but I just don't see this happening.

                        Personally I'm still hoping for the "boring" draft of:

                        1) CB Rhodes - CB and Safety depth and versatility
                        2) LB Greene - Solid all around LB
                        3) OL BPA
                        4) DL BPA
                        Jenkins is 32 years old and injury prone....His strength is rushing the passer not stopping the run. Then they have Shaun Rogers who's 34 years old coming off a year away from football. Marvin Austin hasn't shown much and that leaves the Giants with Linval and 27 year old 7th round pick Markus Kuhn. Whether you doubt it or not, DT is a need for the Giants.

                        I too appreciate for what your "hoping" for but there's a GREAT chance Rhodes won't be there at 19. He's actually one of my favorite prospects but he's the second rated corner coming off a great workout at his pro day that improved from his impressive workout at the combine. He's likely going top 15 if not sooner. Greene may be there but then what. Kind of hard to say you can't see things happening and then give an example that's not thought out or unrealistic while listing obvious names.

                        I admit the trade for the 2nd round pick may have been a bit ambitious but I really don't see how they wouldn't make that deal for a 3rd if that really is the value based on that kind of trade. Do you have any other plans or moves you'd like to see if and when Rhodes is not available? There's things like value to take into consideration when taking players and they just don't do BPA OL in the 3rd and BPA DL in the 4th. I do appreciate the input though.
                        Last edited by titwio; 03-22-2013, 09:12 PM.
                        "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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                        • #13
                          I like your ideas but I think the vikes are going to have to move higher then 19 to get Austin, they would need to get ahead of the rams at 16

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by titwio View Post
                            Jenkins is 32 years old and injury prone....His strength is rushing the passer not stopping the run. Then they have Shaun Rogers who's 34 years old coming off a year away from football. Marvin Austin hasn't shown much and that leaves the Giants with Linval and 27 year old 7th round pick Markus Kuhn. Whether you doubt it or not, DT is a need for the Giants.

                            I too appreciate for what your "hoping" for but there's a GREAT chance Rhodes won't be there at 19. He's actually one of my favorite prospects but he's the second rated corner coming off a great workout at his pro day that improved from his impressive workout at the combine. He's likely going top 15 if not sooner. Greene may be there but then what. Kind of hard to say you can't see things happening and then give an example that's not thought out or unrealistic while listing obvious names.

                            I admit the trade for the 2nd round pick may have been a bit ambitious but I really don't see how they wouldn't make that deal for a 3rd if that really is the value based on that kind of trade. Do you have any other plans or moves you'd like to see if and when Rhodes is not available? There's things like value to take into consideration when taking players and they just don't do BPA OL in the 3rd and BPA DL in the 4th. I do appreciate the input though.
                            How can you dismiss (for lack of.a better term) my draft and because Rhodes might not be there but yet you can have a 2nd round talent going in the 4th? Rhodes is slated to go around the 15-20th pick, which means we have a realistic chance to get him.

                            Also, why is it so hard to say rd 3 and 4 to draft the BPA OL or DL? This draft has its best depth for OL and DL between the 2nd and 4th rounds. Its very much possible to say draft the BPA at that point.

                            I don't hate your mock, but I certainly feel mine is slightly more possible to actually happen. DT is certainly a need, but a run stuffer DT in the first seems like a huge reach. When was the last run defender the giants took in the 1st rd?

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                            • #15
                              Titwio? Shoulda went with boob instead. Just kiddin but I hate ur mock
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                              1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                              2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                              3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                              4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                              5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                              6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                              7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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