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    Has anybody else noticed that from the pre-combine pre and post-combine mock drafts have us taking a player that nobody else is taking in the first round. Example: Tank Carradine at 19 for the Giants... If we dont select him there, he is not mocked to any other team in the first round. I have seen this with three other prospects as well such as Werener before his stock rose and got him back into the 1st round discussion. Does this display a propensity for the Giants to take gambles on players in general but especially in the 1st round? If we didnt take JPP how much longer would he have sat on the board? Nicks dropped all the way to us because of weight issues, but it seems we take chances on greatness imo... Your thoughts Gentleman?
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    In most mocks JPP was a first round pick. I think we took him at the right spot cause he would have been gone after round 1 or worst case for him early round 2. Most mocks I have seen from the beginning had Werner going in the top ten. Only recently have I seen him slipping down to us at 19. As for Carradine I have seen a few mocks with him going in the late first but I do not see us taking him. I think there will be better talent on the board when it's our turn.

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    • #3
      that is strange.. I don't think I've seen Tank anywhere in the 1st, except #19.. Tank in the 1st is a mistake

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      • #4
        If we didn't take Nicks, or JPP, both of them would literally be Titans. We stole the Titans guy twice.

        Nicks/JPP > Britt/Morgan
        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
          If we didn't take Nicks, or JPP, both of them would literally be Titans. We stole the Titans guy twice.

          Nicks/JPP > Britt/Morgan
          Big-Time..!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
            that is strange.. I don't think I've seen Tank anywhere in the 1st, except #19.. Tank in the 1st is a mistake
            The earliest I have seen him is to us, but I have seen him to Cinci at 21, Denver at 28, Falcons at 30 etc. There is no question of the talent. The only concern is the injury.

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            • #7
              One of the most-talented pass rushers in this draft class, Florida State's Cornellius Carradine, wasn't even a starter at the beginning of the season. But after an injury, "Tank" stepped up and had an excellent senior season until he tore his ACL in late November, which clouds his NFL Draft future. The progress of Carradine's knee could determine whether he is selected in the first round or falls to the second day. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

              Bummer for the kid and the ACL
              This guy has his mock at 21 with the Bengles.....
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              • #8
                Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                If we didn't take Nicks, or JPP, both of them would literally be Titans. We stole the Titans guy twice.

                Nicks/JPP > Britt/Morgan
                I completely forgot about Derrick Morgan. I remember I was angry when they chose a DE in general, and I thought, if the Giants were going to choose a damn DE, they should have gone with Morgan.

                This is why I'm not a scout.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EJ Blue View Post
                  I completely forgot about Derrick Morgan. I remember I was angry when they chose a DE in general, and I thought, if the Giants were going to choose a damn DE, they should have gone with Morgan.

                  This is why I'm not a scout.
                  You're not alone -- I didn't want another DE (wanted a LB), but if we had to have a DE then I wanted Morgan. Thank God JR didn't ask me for my opinion.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nygon3 View Post
                    Has anybody else noticed that from the pre-combine pre and post-combine mock drafts have us taking a player that nobody else is taking in the first round. Example: Tank Carradine at 19 for the Giants... If we dont select him there, he is not mocked to any other team in the first round. I have seen this with three other prospects as well such as Werener before his stock rose and got him back into the 1st round discussion. Does this display a propensity for the Giants to take gambles on players in general but especially in the 1st round? If we didnt take JPP how much longer would he have sat on the board? Nicks dropped all the way to us because of weight issues, but it seems we take chances on greatness imo... Your thoughts Gentleman?
                    First of all, word was that if we didn't take JPP, he was going in the very next pick to Tenn.
                    Secondly, I don't think Nicks dropped at all. He went right where he was expected to go.
                    Third.....Our draft board is always solid. While we have definitely drafted to need more than some suggest, we don't really ever reach. At least not for a while.
                    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                    • #11
                      Tank is a legitimate first round talent, probably top 10 if he was healthy.

                      Hes a better player than Werner, IMO.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nygon3 View Post
                        Has anybody else noticed that from the pre-combine pre and post-combine mock drafts have us taking a player that nobody else is taking in the first round. Example: Tank Carradine at 19 for the Giants... If we dont select him there, he is not mocked to any other team in the first round. I have seen this with three other prospects as well such as Werener before his stock rose and got him back into the 1st round discussion. Does this display a propensity for the Giants to take gambles on players in general but especially in the 1st round? If we didnt take JPP how much longer would he have sat on the board? Nicks dropped all the way to us because of weight issues, but it seems we take chances on greatness imo... Your thoughts Gentleman?
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                        There were numberous reports that JPP would not get past Tennessee who was picking 1 pick behind us. I think they had brought him in 2x for interviews. He was rated by all the top analysts as a top 20 prospect. We did not reach.

                        Virtually every Scout had Nicks rated no lower than the 2nd best WR in the draft and a couple guys, including Kiper (I know ppl hate him but I give credit where credit is due) said he was the best pro prospect at the WR position. Fruthermore everyone has him mocked to us because it was widely known we met with him a billions times between the combine and the draft.

                        Tank carradine is being mocked to us because he is a physical freak in the same way JPP and Ansah are. Ansah will likely be gone but the next biggest freak is Carradine. Furthermore, his knee injury is reportedly not a severe tear and had he actually completed the year he might be a top 2 prospect at the DE position, maybe even #1. People know about Ansah's 40 time and how freakish it is for a guy his size. But make no mistake, Carradine at almost 280 lbs carries almost no body fat, has 35 inch long arms and benches 32 reps of 225. That is every bit as freakish as Ansah's 40 time. Furthermore, he has good game tape and production. I honestly think he would be ahead of Ansah on boards had he not been injured. Ansah is a freak with ok gametape and production. Tank is an equal freak with good gametape and very good production. So teams are just going on our past history of looking for that JPP type, which quite honestly I think Tanks is more JPP like than Ansah.
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                        • #13
                          that knee is the difference between tank going in the first or sliding a bit like he probably will.

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                          • #14
                            I've never heard anyone suggest that Reese gambles in drafts before. The guy trusts his board, every year you hear the same thing from him. "There were several players we wanted to take when our pick came up, I think we've taken the right guy" or something to that effect.

                            He drafts based on value, and yes need factors into that value. But Reese will always pick the better prospect over the more immediate need.

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                            • #15
                              Never said Reese takes gambles or we reached for JPP and Nicks.. If you guys can read i clearly was saying the media suggests that we do that.... Dont shoot the messenger
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