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  • #16
    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    I think both Werner and Mingo will be gone. I would do backflips if they ended up with either one
    agreed..

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
      Sintim was nowhere near the athlete Mingo is. Mingo is so much quicker and far more explosive
      also agreed.. Mingo is more like Dion Jordan then he is Clint Sintim...

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      • #18
        How do you guys think he will be as SLB? could he play it?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Shockeystays08 View Post
          Nope, I've seen a good deal of him down here in SEC land. I was never consistantly impressed. He disappears often in a game. Does he have some impressive highlights? Sure, but I have watched many complete games and I say no thanks! He's got a first round name and the experts seem to like him but there are busts of highly touted guys every year. I think we can do better.
          I agree. He has all the athleticism and skills but when you watch the games you often come away unimpressed. Never really wowed me with dominant performances. That and LSU was loaded on their D-line. I also feel he's too frail and needs to get a lot stronger....that worries me about him in the Giants scheme.
          "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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          • #20
            Originally posted by titwio View Post
            I agree. He has all the athleticism and skills but when you watch the games you often come away unimpressed. Never really wowed me with dominant performances. That and LSU was loaded on their D-line. I also feel he's too frail and needs to get a lot stronger....that worries me about him in the Giants scheme.
            Well, you shouldn't really expect much out of him when he is asked to contain first and pass rush second as a LDE. The fact he recognizes the concept of containment is already a huge plus over the recently departed Osi and he just has that rare first step you can't pass on if he falls to the Giants. LSU is notorious for having athletic specimens on their team that manage to underachieve. I'm not sure if their is an attitude issue in the locker room or if it's just the coaching staff using these kids in the wrong positions. I mean do you think using a 240lb player exclusively at LDE is a good idea? I just know that Michael Brockers was an underachiever last year for the Tigers and then he became a young star at the Rams in his rookie year. Something tells me that LSU is horrible using their defensive players and that a good NFL coaching staff would make Mingo work.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
              Well, you shouldn't really expect much out of him when he is asked to contain first and pass rush second as a LDE. The fact he recognizes the concept of containment is already a huge plus over the recently departed Osi and he just has that rare first step you can't pass on if he falls to the Giants. LSU is notorious for having athletic specimens on their team that manage to underachieve. I'm not sure if their is an attitude issue in the locker room or if it's just the coaching staff using these kids in the wrong positions. I mean do you think using a 240lb player exclusively at LDE is a good idea? I just know that Michael Brockers was an underachiever last year for the Tigers and then he became a young star at the Rams in his rookie year. Something tells me that LSU is horrible using their defensive players and that a good NFL coaching staff would make Mingo work.
              Not a huge Mingo fan but if he is there at 19, I would not complain if we grabbed him. He does have the skills to be molded into a very good player. Although him choosing not to bench at both the combine and his pro day is an issue.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                Well, you shouldn't really expect much out of him when he is asked to contain first and pass rush second as a LDE. The fact he recognizes the concept of containment is already a huge plus over the recently departed Osi and he just has that rare first step you can't pass on if he falls to the Giants. LSU is notorious for having athletic specimens on their team that manage to underachieve. I'm not sure if their is an attitude issue in the locker room or if it's just the coaching staff using these kids in the wrong positions. I mean do you think using a 240lb player exclusively at LDE is a good idea? I just know that Michael Brockers was an underachiever last year for the Tigers and then he became a young star at the Rams in his rookie year. Something tells me that LSU is horrible using their defensive players and that a good NFL coaching staff would make Mingo work.
                That could be true. There is definitely a lack of motivation by some on the D-line (rarely the case in their secondary). The thing is with Mingo is do you think he's better suited at DE or OLB? Right now the way I see it is he's too small to play 4-3 DE full time and is too slow to cover as a OLB in the scheme. He's kind of in the middle of that project type area IMO. That's what turns me off about him. The Giants could mold him like you said and may end up becoming a stud but I'm just not overally enticed by the idea.

                I guess I wouldn't be mad with the pick because of his upside but....I don't think I'd be jumping for joy though either.
                "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post
                  Not a huge Mingo fan but if he is there at 19, I would not complain if we grabbed him. He does have the skills to be molded into a very good player. Although him choosing not to bench at both the combine and his pro day is an issue.
                  I agree about the concern but if any team is serious about taking him, they would schedule a private workout and have him hit the bench.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by titwio View Post
                    That could be true. There is definitely a lack of motivation by some on the D-line (rarely the case in their secondary). The thing is with Mingo is do you think he's better suited at DE or OLB? Right now the way I see it is he's too small to play 4-3 DE full time and is too slow to cover as a OLB in the scheme. He's kind of in the middle of that project type area IMO. That's what turns me off about him. The Giants could mold him like you said and may end up becoming a stud but I'm just not overally enticed by the idea.

                    I guess I wouldn't be mad with the pick because of his upside but....I don't think I'd be jumping for joy though either.
                    He needs to be utilized like Bruce Irvin in Seattle. He's obviously not a full time DE prospect but he would still be a huge upgrade over Kiwi at SAM. Being completely honest, you have to admit that he would provide much better coverage than Kiwi could ever give us. Anyway, this is how he should be used if he goes to a 4-3 club. Otherwise, it would probably be a wasted selection.

                    http://blogs.thescore.com/nfl/2012/0...in-as-the-leo/

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                    • #25
                      Mingo is perfect for a 3-4 team (OLB).. I rather have somebody that fits our D

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by titwio View Post
                        That could be true. There is definitely a lack of motivation by some on the D-line (rarely the case in their secondary). The thing is with Mingo is do you think he's better suited at DE or OLB? Right now the way I see it is he's too small to play 4-3 DE full time and is too slow to cover as a OLB in the scheme. He's kind of in the middle of that project type area IMO. That's what turns me off about him. The Giants could mold him like you said and may end up becoming a stud but I'm just not overally enticed by the idea.

                        I guess I wouldn't be mad with the pick because of his upside but....I don't think I'd be jumping for joy though either.
                        To slow let me ask u how many LB's were faster then Mingo at the combine? 2 Zaviar Gooden, Cornelius Washington. He ran faster then Ogletree. 90% of the LB's in this draft are to slow to play LB
                        Last edited by Redeyejedi; 03-28-2013, 04:52 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                          To slow let me ask u how many LB's were faster then Mingo at the combine? 2 Zaviar Gooden, Cornelius Washington. He ran faster then Ogletree. 90% of the LB's in this draft are to slow to play LB
                          I worded that wrong. I meant to imply his instincts and lack of experience playing that position would make him a project. Don't know why I said slow. I know he ran a great time.....that's not what I meant though. My bad.
                          "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by titwio View Post
                            I worded that wrong. I meant to imply his instincts and lack of experience playing that position would make him a project. Don't know why I said slow. I know he ran a great time.....that's not what I meant though. My bad.
                            I think he was playing out of position at LSU. If he had been put in the same situation as Anthony Barr at UCLA he would of ripped it up.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by titwio View Post
                              I worded that wrong. I meant to imply his instincts and lack of experience playing that position would make him a project. Don't know why I said slow. I know he ran a great time.....that's not what I meant though. My bad.
                              He was originally a linebacker coming out of high school but there is legit concern about his lack of experience in terms of coverage, especially in a 4-3 where he will have more space to account for. That's why I think he might just be a pass rushing specialist and also a read option defender in his rookie season.

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                              • #30
                                whats going on here? i remember i was calling for a Mingo dream pick months ago. glad to see everyones recognizing what I saw. Slip and Enigma summed it up perfectly.

                                mingo would be the ONLY pick id take over cooper/warmack/johnson...mingo was my first choice all along. i remember asking u two (slip and enigma) about him months ago...he'd be a beast rushing the edge opposite JPP or even have him work outside JPP some pass rushes and wreak havoc

                                and werners gonna be a so so player. mingo can be great. i dont even think id draft werner tbh

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