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    As of this moment, the only position without a starter is RT.

    Based on McShay's opinion of the draft, and IF all teams select players at a need position,
    many players that most of us like are already oof the board,
    and IF the following players are projected to be on the board when the giants pick at #19,
    (DE Werner, CB Rhodes, OG Cooper, RT DJ Fluker),
    he has the Giants selecting massive RT DJ Fluker.

    I know many ppl dont like this but i would understand.
    I would hope we went with any of the other three and select a RT in either round 2 or 3 instead!

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    It is a good point. I have thought of that as well. But with regards to Fluker, he doesnt exactly fit the mold of what we like in Olinemen. Reese so far seems to like athletes along the line rather than just big bodies. Our running game relies heavily on finess blocks and that just isnt the way he plays. Furthermore, he isnt a horrible player at all, I just dont know about his value at 19.

    Lastly, while you and I say "we dont have a starter at RT"( and I do believe that) I have no idea how much Brewer has progresssed. We dont get to see him in practices and they do. Perhaps they coaches have more faith in him than we do.
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    • #3
      I doubt that Brewer is ready, as he didnt get too many reps last year.

      I wish I could be their guest fan and sit quietly in attendance of their war room. what an experience that would be!

      If I was invited I would also hope they would ask for my opinion, and of course, I would solicit the fan base here first and share it with them. lol

      BTW, I forgot the name of the RT we had last year that played well that got hurt. I wonder if he is an option?
      Last edited by paulj; 03-28-2013, 07:09 PM.

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      • #4
        It has nothing to do with position of need, but rather the player himself. Even if Giants ran a system that fit Fluker, he's still hardly worth the 19th overall pick.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
          It has nothing to do with position of need, but rather the player himself. Even if Giants ran a system that fit Fluker, he's still hardly worth the 19th overall pick.
          I do agree he isnt good value at 19 at all. But dont kid yourself, need has a lot to do with it, even for the giants who perhaps put value over need more than most teams.
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          • #6
            the big 5 O-linemen will be gone before #19, leaving Fluker.. I don't think JR pulls the trigger

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            • #7
              If Werner, Cooper, Warmack, even Rhodes is there, i don't see him taking Fluker over any of the forementioned.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by paulj View Post
                As of this moment, the only position without a starter is RT.

                Based on McShay's opinion of the draft, and IF all teams select players at a need position,
                many players that most of us like are already oof the board,
                and IF the following players are projected to be on the board when the giants pick at #19,
                (DE Werner, CB Rhodes, OG Cooper, RT DJ Fluker),
                he has the Giants selecting massive RT DJ Fluker.

                I know many ppl dont like this but i would understand.
                I would hope we went with any of the other three and select a RT in either round 2 or 3 instead!
                We are not taking Fluker in the first round. It's just not going to happen. I think we can get a RT in the later rounds such as pugh or watson, fluker in the 2nd would be a pipe dream but I'll be exhilarated by that.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                  I do agree he isnt good value at 19 at all. But dont kid yourself, need has a lot to do with it, even for the giants who perhaps put value over need more than most teams.
                  I've never excluded need from the BPA metric along with personal philosophies on positional value, etc. etc. But I also think impending need is also in that equation. So just because RT is the one of only positions without a starter at this very moment, I don't think Giants are putting that much more emphasis on that over positions that look to be voided after this season like CB, DT and DE.

                  Amukamara, Wilson and JPP looked to have been made with some foresight on hand rather than just fulfill what was the most glaring need.

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                  • #10
                    I also dont think Fluker is good value at 19. However, if he is on the board, i think he is good value in 2nd round.

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                    • #11
                      I'm not even so sure he's their pick in the second. He just does not look like what they value in their offensive lineman. You can't adjust your entire blocking scheme for your RT.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paulj View Post
                        As of this moment, the only position without a starter is RT.

                        Based on McShay's opinion of the draft, and IF all teams select players at a need position,
                        many players that most of us like are already oof the board,
                        and IF the following players are projected to be on the board when the giants pick at #19,
                        (DE Werner, CB Rhodes, OG Cooper, RT DJ Fluker),
                        he has the Giants selecting massive RT DJ Fluker.

                        I know many ppl dont like this but i would understand.
                        I would hope we went with any of the other three and select a RT in either round 2 or 3 instead!

                        Mcshay is a clown and does not undestand the giants draft philosophy. they will not select an OL, especially a guard in the 1st. This pick will be D all the way. there is too much OL value in this draft and not enough in the 1st unless your talking a premier OT, which I feel there are none of in this draft.

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                        • #13
                          I'd draft Menelik Watson before i drafted DJ Fluker.. I think Watson fits this team more and has more upside and fits our mold of lineman more so then Fluker.. I don't care what anyone says, Fluker was the worst lineman for Alabama this yr, and i don't trust em..

                          I think Brewer has a legit chance to be the RT this yr anyways.. Coming outta Indiana, he was raw and had all the measurables along with athletic ability, but needed his technique refined, which dosen't nessecarily have to happen with on field snaps, as it does with working with NFL personel for 2yrs and practicing with NFL players for 2yrs... This is the yr most expected brewer to play anyways...

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                          • #14
                            fluker has TERRIBLE footwork in pass pro. we wouldnt take him in the 1rst id bet anything. and even tho typically u want ur RT to be a mauler in the run game, and Fluker is that, we need pass protection from the RT.
                            In college, his length allowed him to engulf the pass rusher. dunno if he can get by solely on that bc the second he starts getting into a backpedal, the play might as well be blown dead cuz the qb is getting hit.

                            IF the above scenario is what plays out on draft day, and i believe it could bc I KNOW 1 of Cooper/Warmack/Johnson will drop. and that will be our pick. If Coopers there, ZERO shot we pass him up...Boothes a 1 yr deal remember. and Brewer was drafted to be our RT. LG is a bigger hole than RT bc we have the future on the roster which we dont have at either G spot really

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post

                              Amukamara, Wilson and JPP looked to have been made with some foresight on hand rather than just fulfill what was the most glaring need.
                              Well Prince was a huge need on top of a good value.

                              and you said "need has nothing to do with it." thats is what I was responding to.

                              You can also make the argument that KP, Ross and Wilson were all huge need picks under Reese.

                              so need is always part of the equation.

                              But, it isnt worth arguing because we agree that Fluker isnt a good prospect at 19 , and he isnt a good fit for us. That is really what the thread is about.
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